Can we talk about how it's only ever biological males spouting off and trying to infringe on the rights of the opposite sex?

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It's never trans men is it? (As in biological females transitioning to present as male)

You don't see them trying to decimate the men's category in sports. You don't see them kicking off to be allowed into men's changing rooms. You don't see them trying to make a mockery of what it means to be a man. You don't see them being chosen to advertise products designed to be used by men, IE viagra (in comparison to Dylan Mulvaney and their tampax)

You don't see them carrying condoms around just incase a man asks them for one in the men's toilets.

It's always the MTF people. Always.

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Just like the trans women who think straight men should date them and if not are transphobes. Why exactly. Maybe some men just want to date, you know real women, not pretend ones 🤔I mean surely everyone is allowed to chose whom to date

I'm surprised that there are not more transmen speaking out about their experiences, given that acc GIDS most of their clients wanting to trans were female. Obviously there must be some transmen competing in male sport but I haven't heard of them breaking male records yet. Or much at all about how they are doing. Nor have I heard the NHS push to calling men "people with penises" or "with testes".

It's easy to say that "it's never trans men" when you ignore everything.

They push for the erasure of word "mother", "breastfeeding" etc. They demand we stop saying that men can't get pregnant.

Trans men have been featured in advert ()

And we've seen trans men moaning about gay men refusing to date them, some gay groups have even been forced to accept trans men against the member's wishes.

I remember the TW who complained about being addressed as "Sir" twice by a train company. It struck me at the time that even if the person was correct that it was pejorative rather than a simple mistake, that they just have no idea of the everyday sexism that females experience if being called Sir twice is considered notable enough to be putting in official complaints and contacting local and national media about.

The low-medium level harassment that women deal with in public spaces and rarely complain about.

The entitlement/confidence of being socialised as a male doesn't diminish when transitioning. So I think transmen probably are effected by their female socialisation, even if hormones give them a confidence boost or they try extra hard to act like men - they don't stand out compared with all the men with big egos. Obviously outliers in all groups, I don't think e.g. Posie Parker would make for a shy transman if hypothetically she were to transition.

As PPs have said, plenty of TM are involved in the political movement to delegitimise sex as a relevant social or political consideration.

I think there are three reason TW may seem to be demanding more than TM:

1. On average, an angry male at a protest is louder, bigger, more dangerous and therefore simply draws more notice than an angry female.

2. TW are more spectacular than TM and therefore make better TV/video guests

3. Female-only sports, rights and spaces are explicitly defined and therefore easier to explicitly demand. The male-only equivalents are either non-existent (no one is setting up support networks for male business leaders!) or enforced by practical differences rather than simple rules (many TM don't want to join men's sports because it's not fun to know you've got no chance of winning, and those who do aren't a threat to male competition). So, there are less flashpoints for TMs to make visible demands vs TW.

At an adult level, there are more middle aged MTF than FTM, and they are usually relatively powerful, entitled men and make a lot of noise.

However, at a teen level it's mostly FTM and they can be awful. I know two high schools where all the gay "men" in the LGBT+ clubs are really female and it's a hellish environment for a teen boy who might be gay but is pushed to validate these girls as boys he fancies.

The genuinely vulnerable groups, women and LGB people are treated badly by the group that need a power trip, as per usual.

You don't see them carrying condoms around just incase a man asks them for one in the men's toilets.

You don't see men doing this either😂

Yeah, I totally disagree with the title premise. Lots of transmen are involved in pushing the politics of this. Often somewhat less directly, but in some ways I think they tend to be better at using social pressure, victim status, and social networks to try and enforce gender ideology on people.

I've been told by an eye / ear witness that Jenni Murray muttered the same when she opened a building named in her honour at a university, in response to the group of protesters gathered there.

Males do not give birth. Females give birth.

Transmen are female

Yes, they're not actually male.

Trans-masculine people can be really fervent campaigners for gender ideology - because when you’ve had an expensive double mastectomy operation and testosterone has lowered the pitch of your voice forever, you’ve got real long-term skin in the game. Most TW could revert to male-presenting in a heartbeat and nobody would guess they’d ever been trans. Not so for TM.

TW tend to be more violent though in their rhetoric. “Die in a grease fire”; “Suck my girld*ck”; “I punch Terfs”…

Will we ever see a trans man on the cover of a men’s magazine, or winning an award or sports trophy for men? I’ve not seen any evidence of it but happy to be corrected.

Why would how they see themselves matter? You don't use the men's room if you see yourself as male, you use it if you're actually male.

It’s really NOT always. Just mostly.
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for example…

"I know two high schools where all the gay "men" in the LGBT+ clubs are really female and it's a hellish environment for a teen boy who might be gay but is pushed to validate these girls as boys he fancies."

Yup, this is the reality at the school I teach at. The LGBT+ club is completly dominated by girls who are claiming to be gay men/non-binary etc. The entire focus is on trans/gender stuff, and provides zero support for any LGB teens with actual LGB issues, which is infuriating, as they're they're the ones who face the real struggles. The leader of the club however (female straight teacher) won't hear any word said against it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/sqzmi8/nsfw_trans_men_at_gay_saunas/
This is a thread about TM in gay saunas. I found it interesting. They are definitely wanting the consent of gay men to welcome them, and they talk about how passing is very important as men are 'visual".

If they were actually men, they wouldn't need to pass. They shouldn't be in the male sauna.