1 in 67 English/Welsh Muslims are transgender

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According to the ONS.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-does-the-census-say-there-are-more-trans-people-in-newham-than-brighton/

"Did you realise that one in every 67 Muslims is transgender? That adults with no educational qualifications are almost twice as likely to identify as transgender as university graduates? That the London boroughs of Brent and Newham are home to higher proportions of transgender people than Brighton and Oxford? These are some of the astonishing results from the 2021 census of England and Wales, which was the first in the world to ask about gender identity."

Can people request the census to be sent in a language other than English?
Do they have to apply for that?

That seems to be a surprisingly hard question to find the answer to! In Scotland they say "Guidance is available for every question in English and 16 other languages on the website. An interpretation service covering most languages can be accessed by calling 0800 030 8333. You can also request copies of the guidance in Braille, large print or on audio CD or USB. There are guidance videos in British Sign Language on the key pages of the website and a video relay service offered by contactscotland-bsl.org can be used by BSL users to access advice from the helpline. Anyone who can’t complete the census on their own can ask someone they trust over 16 years old for help."

Maybe the support info for households in England and Wales has already been removed from online?

I would hope the official translation services would do a bit better than some of the Google translate services, though also suspect that as most people completed their census returns online they would simply have used the automated translation easily available to them such as Google translate, or asked family for help.

A friend of mine works for a website which shares medical support/information online, and their job is to make it as simple and as clear as possible. This is because the average reading age in the UK is 9 years old.

That's actually really shocking.

But is not true, according to the website you linked to earlier.

a 2011 government survey of adult literacy skills found that 14.9% (or 1 in 7) of adults in England have literacy levels at or below Entry Level 3, which is equivalent to the literacy skills expected of a nine to 11-year-old.

https://literacytrust.org.uk/parents-and-families/adult-literacy/what-do-adult-literacy-levels-mean/

This doesn't surprise me.

People who are skilled in English can put others down, who have low self esteem about it from school, from teachers eho faildd them and victim blamed, they wouldn't post somewhere like here and take all the insults.

Not everyone finds things easy.

This is how hard it was for me to learn to read and write.

I wasn't taught anything at home my Mum was mean with everything so wouldn't teach me anything or give me anything to help me, shs had excellent literacy skills and spelling, she wouldn't listen to radio 4 she hadn't a clue what they were talking about and my Dad totally illiterate yet he is the type to listen to radio 4 and grasp what they were talking about.

I was dx as dyslexic at 27.

When I went to school and was taught letters and words I remember it so well. They were not easy to learn and I had to make patterns and go over them constantly.

I remember in particular learning Bed, I had to learn it by remembering B was the hardboard and small d was the feet and carried that through I life, I had to keep reminding myself until maybe 10 about that pattern, every time I came across those letters and it wasn't limited to those letters, I had ways to cope with letters. The letters also jump around on me.

I understand most people look at a word and can spell it for the rest of their life, I can't.

I had to go over and over and over maths too like letters and words maybe 20 times more than the average person to understand the concept.

I was streamed top groups at school because I worked really really hard and got zero help at school or home. I have above average IQ, and when I took my dyslexia test I had excellent comprehension skills.

I read out loud like a small child and spell like one.

I can understand language people speak and write yet I don't use it so my writing looks simple.

There are people out there way worse than me.

I am sure that's why people like Trump do so well, he speaks quite simply to people.

I think he is more skilled with his accurate simple langue to many who understand him, than someone who swallowed a treasurus, talking to small numbers of people, because most of the population haven't a clue what they are talking about.

I disagree.
There were an awful lot of trans people at the time saying they were going to answer as if they were always the sex they were. So trans women were going to tick sex female, gender identity as it was at birth.

Now we already know there aren't hundreds of thousands, so those who answered as above have skewed the stats, quite considerably. If only half did this, your stats are way out BECAUSE there are so few.
Then you add in the many that didnt understand, those who deliberately answered wrong and those who ignored it and its, well a clusterfuck in fact.

As it was the last ever census, it seems such a shame to go out on a low note.

But then we did try to point out the very obvious flaws and we were ignored.

Your language skill shows your determination, Gingerbread. I have some knowledge of just how hard dyslexic people have to work to get the words down on paper (or screen).

@Ourladycheesusedatum I can see that some trans women might tick their sex as female (because they consider that they've actually changed sex) But I can't see why they'd answer yes to "Is your gender identity the same as your sex registered at birth?" because they must know that their sex registered at birth was male. If there are trans people "hiding" in the data this way you'd be right that they're uncounted - as they would be if they simply didn't the answer the question (which is possible). But we have no way of knowing whether this is the case.

And I don't think the 0.2% who actually wrote in the words "trans man" or "trans woman" is an overestimate either as that isn't a plausible thing for someone with poor English skills to do.

Well done from me too. I have some knowledge of how severely dyslexia (as opposed to dyscalculia) can impact on arithmetic/maths. It’s not well understood.

In the Telegraph

digitaleditions.telegraph.co.uk/data/1306/reader/reader.html?social#!preferred/0/package/1306/pub/1306/page/35/article/NaN

Some of them. A fair few in fact think they've always been female, born in the wrong body if you like (although that's no longer a thing)
They stated that as they really were born women they will answer the census as if they were born woman. I can assume that having that thought process they will have answered the gender question too as if they have one and it's always been female.

Many have a new birth certificate too that marks them as female. I mean you cant argue with a birth certificate.

We cant know for 100? Years what they actually put, but there was definitely a concerted effort to do this.

I didnt say over estimated, I said skewed. And that's true. Out of curiosity then as you appear to have some insider knowledge, did anyone put non binary?
Demi aromantic maverique boi? Or some combination of the 7 billion genders?

Lots of people have that difficulty in other ways.

Life is so easy for some people. I remember when I found out others just looked at a spelling list of words and they would look at it once and know how to spell for life. To then have those types of people insult you it pretty rich, as I have to work so hard for what is so easy for them and I still can't achieve what they do.

I could be like my Dad and remain illiterate and put in the effort or a normal person, it was seeing what a vile horrible man he was that made me work so hard. I used him as an example to my dyslexic child (who got dx at university, all through school insulted by teachers despite me constantly telling tnem she needed tests and help) I had to help her myself and with tutors when teachers threw dictionaries at her humiliating her in class, too thick to understand that DD and I would know the second, third, fourth letters to be able to look up the spelling the inept teachers was so useless at their job.

She pointed out the dyslexia thread on here the other week another grad started. You aren't going to find the people who aren't very literate on here, they have been knocked by life so hard they won't post and be insuted. Where as I would get the vile bitch fest laighing at 'uneducated' spelling piss taking threads, send them to DD and we use them to correct our errors, others would go deep into anger or depression. Those threads are no different to laughing at someone with no legs or wheelchair dragging themselves along the floor to live life, because those taxpayers pay a salary and pension to are so useless they don't do their job properly in schools, they like to leave children that way it's a choice believe me, they refuse to help when I said I am dyslexic she seems too, they were moaning she had symptoms and refused to test or help, teacher after teacher, year after year, it's a choice.

"Professional, managerial-class ­people have had the training on gender language and gender identity. But a lot of people on building sites or cleaning hospitals, for example, those are the people that are confused. If ONS had asked: ‘Are you trans?’ It would have been simpler. The question they used is Stonewall’s definition of cisgender and it shows just how influential Stonewall is.”

There are a subset of that group, many teachers who don't do their job properly, and wreck lives and pull this nation down in tbe process, who have year after year children in that group, they let down, they themselves bullied and like one modelled bullying to children that joined in. So pleased with themselves they seem too, as they chant TWAW and sexually abused children in class because they are abusing children day in day out this is no different or they are limited in critical thinking and are just a memory recall parrot and haven't much else going on, it's the same people.

@Ourladycheesusedatum ”Many have a new birth certificate too that marks them as female. I mean you cant argue with a birth certificate.”

This is one of the myths, since the GRA was introduced in 2004 approximately 6000 people have obtained a GRC. That is 6% of the people who claim to be trans gender in the census.

A big problem is the widening the trans umbrella and claiming rights that technically only those with a GRC are entitled to claim. Lady Haldane’s judgement basically said legal sex includes women and those with a GRC whose birth certificate now says female, it did not include everyone with the pc gender reassignment.

Another myth is to get a GRC you need to be taking cross sex hormones or have had surgery. Most people who are trans gender, irrespective of whether they have a GRC, do not take cross sex hormones or have surgery.

Trans population may be 'significantly overestimated' in 2021 census https://mol.im/a/11966765 via https://dailym.ai/android

What I am saying is that it takes no skill whatsoever to teach a child how to read write and spell if that child can look at a letter and has the ability to just know for life, any random person can do that.

The skill and the way to bring up this country is to teach the children who can't do that and not all will have a low IQ, the skill in spotting them, testing and helping them is something that is worth a £50k package a year otherwise you may as well pay a low IQ person £20k a year to child mind and save the taxpayers money - to chant TWAW propoganda as they can't safeguard either, they can't seem to do much that helps the nation from where I am.

I mean I have zero teaching qualifications and could do a better job than any teacher for myself and my child, I taught her coping skills so well at university when she finally got a test they were blown away how she was doing so well.

R5 (I think - could have been R4 as I listen to both) had their “inclusivity” correspondent on to explain some of the background to Humza’s idiotic GRR challenge yesterday.

Putting aside her clear bias when presenting the background, one of the things she quoted was this very obviously nonsensical 0.5% figure, as a ‘fact.’

She didn’t say where she’d plucked it from, on air, and I was left shouting at the radio scratching my head as to why she’d say it. I hadn’t, yet, seen that it was the result of the census.

So now it’s being circulated, unchallenged, on the Beeb which, (Lord alone knows why), is still seen as an accurate source by many.

Professional, managerial-class ­people have had the training on gender language and gender identity.

Yet many are still confused by both, and the question was doubly confusing because (as far as I remember) there was no option to respond “I don’t have a gender identity” - when (as far as I know) most people don’t.

I think the only way to do this was to not answer the question.

Or answer the question (which implied you did have a gender identity) and then write in that you didn't.

I am going to rant again sorry school past.

Drs are no better than Teachers, about a third have critical thinking skills and are actual scientists, most are memory recall parrots who should have taken up work in pathology. They aren't able to diagnose anything out if the ordinary and even they then can't and u believe, having multi system complex physical stuff myself and my children that they too like to keep people sick as a group of teachers like to keep children with poor literacy skills.

It's a shame that nobody does anything about taxpayers wated money on these people too.

These are the unthinking, cowards or FII endocrinology departments who are dragging this country down.

Instead of being in the G8 they want us in the G20 with litigation and poor outcomes for the vulnerable, that is the end result of their behaviour. They should be weeded out and their training written off rather tham hang on to rubbish that needs binning - like a sink cost falacy gambler and not be given a DBS style job again. Who the heck selects these people for the training in the first place as they too are shit at their job and a bad return for the taxpayers.

I can't recall the religion question, which is where gender identity I think belongs, was there an option for athiest?

You may as well have an AI app or someone like Angela Rayner in those jobs if all that is required is a bouncer with memory recall skills making sure each diagnosis fits into an NHS flowchart or classroom chants the correct words! Those who struggle get nothing from the so called skill set, who are bad value for money to the taxpayers.

https://twitter.com/KayBurley/status/1646416142536155136/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1646416142536155136&currentTweetUser=KayBurley

@Ourladycheesusedatum No special insider knowledge required! It's in this publication (which I shared earlier, but admittedly this thread has got quite long) https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/2021-census-what-do-we-know-about-the-lgbt-population/#:~:text=Around%20262%2C000%20people%20(0.5%25),identity%20as%20'trans%20woman'.

It's 30,000 people wrote in "non- binary", compared with 48,000 writing trans men and 48,000 trans woman (I suspect they're rounding figures a bit here). 48,000 = 0.1% of adults being asked this question, so 30,000 is about 0.07% of adults saying they are non binary.

The disputed figures are the remaining 0.2% who said "no" to "Is you gender identity the same as your sex registered at birth?" but didn't write anything in and appear to be disproportionately people low English language skills. (These's also a further 18,000 who wrote in another gender identity - which could be anything - eg "fluid", "I don't have a gender identity", "birth not registered", "man", "women", etc)

Yes, there was an option to state "no religion"