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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

1 in 67 English/Welsh Muslims are transgender

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 09/04/2023 09:53

According to the ONS.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-does-the-census-say-there-are-more-trans-people-in-newham-than-brighton/

"Did you realise that one in every 67 Muslims is transgender? That adults with no educational qualifications are almost twice as likely to identify as transgender as university graduates? That the London boroughs of Brent and Newham are home to higher proportions of transgender people than Brighton and Oxford? These are some of the astonishing results from the 2021 census of England and Wales, which was the first in the world to ask about gender identity."

Why does the census say there are more trans people in Newham than Brighton?

Did you realise that one in every 67 Muslims is transgender? That adults with no educational qualifications are almost twice as likely to identify as transgender as university graduates? That the London boroughs of Brent and Newham are home to higher p...

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-does-the-census-say-there-are-more-trans-people-in-newham-than-brighton

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GingerbreadBaking · 13/04/2023 11:26

Ingenieur · 13/04/2023 11:24

Yes, there was an option to state "no religion"

It's not a mental health condition according to mental health experts in the NHS.

It's not fabricated induced illness according to the NHS and police.

It is not a religion according to ONS.

What is it?

GingerbreadBaking · 13/04/2023 11:30

Is it classed as like in the USA as a sexual orientation towards sexual attraction and love of the self?

Why do UK taxpayers have to fund narcissistic cosmetic surgery if so?

Ingenieur · 13/04/2023 11:37

GingerbreadBaking · 13/04/2023 11:26

It's not a mental health condition according to mental health experts in the NHS.

It's not fabricated induced illness according to the NHS and police.

It is not a religion according to ONS.

What is it?

Do you mean trans issues aren't identified by the NHS as a mental health issue?

Well it is treated under the mental health pathway, and GIDS was established within the Tavistock and Portland Trust, which is a specialist mental health unit, and the trust also treats adults with gender identity issues including dysphoria.

The proposed local centres to replace GIDS will also have a mental-health focus.

I'd say the NHS therefore do consider it to be a mental health issue, despite what some individual doctors might say.

Fireyflies · 13/04/2023 11:39

The census religion question was similarly flawed to the trans one in one sense. They asked "What it your religion?". "No religion" was a tick box option but that's not actually an answer to what your religion is. What they should have asked was first "Do you have a religion?" And then (if yes) "What is your religion?" They question they used is worded to presuppose everyone has a religion. It's well known that wording the question as they did produces a higher number of people saying they have a religion than the more open question of asking first whether they have one - which is why religion groups have resisted any changes to this question.

Similarly with the trans question they could have asked "Do you have a gender identity that differs from the sex you were registered at birth?" But instead they asked "Is your gender identity the same as the sex you were registered at birth", which presupposes everyone to have a gender identity. That's a political call that they made.

GingerbreadBaking · 13/04/2023 12:17

Ingenieur · 13/04/2023 11:37

Do you mean trans issues aren't identified by the NHS as a mental health issue?

Well it is treated under the mental health pathway, and GIDS was established within the Tavistock and Portland Trust, which is a specialist mental health unit, and the trust also treats adults with gender identity issues including dysphoria.

The proposed local centres to replace GIDS will also have a mental-health focus.

I'd say the NHS therefore do consider it to be a mental health issue, despite what some individual doctors might say.

So if it is a mental health issue why is the answer endocrine and surgery?

Why is the comorbid mental health condition FII in many Professionals in the wider community and parents at Tavistock not following the NHS/police standart treatment for FII?

GingerbreadBaking · 13/04/2023 12:22

Fireyflies · 13/04/2023 11:39

The census religion question was similarly flawed to the trans one in one sense. They asked "What it your religion?". "No religion" was a tick box option but that's not actually an answer to what your religion is. What they should have asked was first "Do you have a religion?" And then (if yes) "What is your religion?" They question they used is worded to presuppose everyone has a religion. It's well known that wording the question as they did produces a higher number of people saying they have a religion than the more open question of asking first whether they have one - which is why religion groups have resisted any changes to this question.

Similarly with the trans question they could have asked "Do you have a gender identity that differs from the sex you were registered at birth?" But instead they asked "Is your gender identity the same as the sex you were registered at birth", which presupposes everyone to have a gender identity. That's a political call that they made.

I don't think many people recognise that they have a religion when they do.

No matter how you frame that question they would deny it, as they don't recognise that they are in one. I would also include some who would tick a standard religion who also have queer ideology as another and don't recognise that they do, for example many on the Dalai Lama thread seem to overlap Buddhism with woke ideology.

I think the religion/ideolgy/beliefs section needs to be totally overhauled.

GingerbreadBaking · 13/04/2023 12:29

I came across one guy and he is so messed up he says he is an athiest and yet he talks about karma (in this life, things coming back at you) and the mark of the beast and how he isn't taking digital ID.

I don't know how he can be all at once?

Fireyflies · 13/04/2023 12:38

Some people are very clear that they don't have a religion. But some (particularly older) people were brought up in Christian traditions but have no ongoing involvement in the church and don't really believe in God and don't give religion much thought. It's that group who may answer "Christian" to "What is your religion?" but "no" to "Do you have a religion?" (And even more likely "no" to "Do you believe in God?", interestingly)

GingerbreadBaking · 13/04/2023 12:41

So the NHS fund Jewish circumcision? If not why are they funding Queer theory body modification?

Shelefttheweb · 13/04/2023 12:52

Most religious people would not consider themselves to have a religion, anymore than they consider themselves to worship a god and might find the implication insulting to their faith.

GingerbreadBaking · 13/04/2023 13:10

Shelefttheweb · 13/04/2023 12:52

Most religious people would not consider themselves to have a religion, anymore than they consider themselves to worship a god and might find the implication insulting to their faith.

ONS are having to dance around so many people feeling offended that they can't ask clear questions from people, inducing harm in the vulnerable people who are unable to understand or comprehend questions and then get bad funding later on, it would seem feelings top trump good data collection, so why bother collecting data at all?

Ingenieur · 13/04/2023 13:18

GingerbreadBaking · 13/04/2023 12:17

So if it is a mental health issue why is the answer endocrine and surgery?

Why is the comorbid mental health condition FII in many Professionals in the wider community and parents at Tavistock not following the NHS/police standart treatment for FII?

Any evidence supporting an endocrine and surgery approach to gender identity issues is incredibly flimsy, and subject to considerable controversy and debate both within the NHS and among other medical professionals. Whether surgery and drugs is the correct approach is one of the main reasons for the dismantling of GIDS.

So I'd query your assertion that "the answer" is drugs and surgery.

Shelefttheweb · 13/04/2023 13:55

GingerbreadBaking · 13/04/2023 13:10

ONS are having to dance around so many people feeling offended that they can't ask clear questions from people, inducing harm in the vulnerable people who are unable to understand or comprehend questions and then get bad funding later on, it would seem feelings top trump good data collection, so why bother collecting data at all?

Because you want people to answer the question. The problems around issues like faith is the same as those of gender identity (another faith): they are issues of subjective belief. How people with a belief view a question about that faith differs from how people without that belief view that question. Perhaps a better more straightforward question would be:

‘Are you Christian?’ Yes (denomination?)/no.
’Are you Muslim?’ Yes (subdivision if wanted)/no
’Are you Buddhist?’ Yes/No

Or even:

Please tick which of the following apply to you: Christian/Muslim/Queer theory adherent/Jedi/…/Atheist/Agnostic/Other

GingerbreadBaking · 13/04/2023 14:38

Ingenieur · 13/04/2023 13:18

Any evidence supporting an endocrine and surgery approach to gender identity issues is incredibly flimsy, and subject to considerable controversy and debate both within the NHS and among other medical professionals. Whether surgery and drugs is the correct approach is one of the main reasons for the dismantling of GIDS.

So I'd query your assertion that "the answer" is drugs and surgery.

I don't agree with surgery and endocrine treatment for an autistic child, a child who suffered CSA or trauma, I think teachers, charities, media, NHS that are involved in that are monsters.

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