Young adults who identify as asexual feel excluded from the wider LGBTQ community

[IwantToRetire]

From a survey of 3,695 young adults aged 18-25 27% said they “rarely or never” feel a part of the LGBTQ community. Aside from those who said they were questioning their sexual or gender identity, asexual people were most likely to say this.

18% said they “rarely” felt included and 9% said they “never” felt included.

30% of asexual young adults said they “always” feel included and 30% said they “sometimes” feel included.

39% of asexual people of colour said they rarely or never felt part of the LGBT+ community, compared to 24% of white asexual young people.

It’s also estimated that between 0.44-1 percent (295,768 to 672,200) of the UK population identifies as asexual.

The data paints a disappointing picture that suggests a significant portion of young adults identifying as asexual don’t always feel like they’re a part of the LGBTQ community.

“I hope that this research makes clear the need for greater awareness of the lived experiences and realities of asexual people, especially as we can see a wider pattern here of LGBT+ people of colour feeling excluded from our community.”

https://www.attitude.co.uk/news/a-quarter-of-asexual-young-adults-feel-excluded-from-lgbtq-community-430087/

...maybe I’ll do that the next time someone tells me their going on a date/ hook-up / getting married / having a baby.

I was under the impression from what's been said here that asexuals can and do take part in all of the above so why would there be a problem when others talk about it?

I was under the impression from what's been said here that asexuals can and do take part in all of the above so why would there be a problem when others talk about it?

The logical contradictions are such a tell on how asexual discourse has been influenced by Queer Theory nonsense. Also the refusal to engage in discussion, reciting talking points instead of responding to points people have made, and constant declarations of victimhood. (And the need to have it celebrated in workplaces and included under the sodding “umbrella!”)

It’s a shame, because if it wasn’t poisoned with so much bullshit the asexual concept would conceivably be useful, even if only to teens and young adults in a hypersexual culture wanting reassurance they are normal. The problem is that the way it’s currently deployed it’s more like reassurance they aren’t normal.

Goddess forbid you're like everyone else. It's nice to be normal!
I'm happy not to be oppressed as a Lesbian.
My life is so much better

Funnily enough I just read Alf Up A Tree’s old Substack post on how his 2 years identifying as ‘asexual’ were ultimately quite a damaging cul de sac to teenage Alf:

https://thoughtsoutsidemyhead.substack.com/p/the-thoughts-outside-my-head-ep1

I wonder, are there some people who really think everyone who is gay and lesbian "identifies" with the LGBTPQ+ community and feels welcomed there?

Someone like Douglas Murray, say? Whose made it pretty clear that he doesn't have much in common with other gay men, as a whole, apart from fancying other men.

There are lots of people like this who don't find they need to find their sense of community mainly with other people who have the same sexual orientation they do. They aren't into drag, they don't vote to the left, they don't like Pride parades, they think rainbow flags are tacky, they're generally conservative about sex, etc.

are there some people who really think everyone who is gay and lesbian "identifies" with the LGBTPQ+ community and feels welcomed there

Well long before the trans takeover many lesbians no longer felt part of the supposed community because it was very male dominated, and well as being somehow made to appear that anyone who was same sex attracted was also into fetish.

I suspect how women experience same sex attraction, and how men experience same sex attraction is very different, as is their way of celebrating / expressing it.

Just coming back to this thread after reading something in Time to Think. ' Questioned how it was possible to have an age appropriate discussion about the loss of orgasm with a young person who has never had one, the Tavistock's QC remarked that 'many adults are happily asexual ''.

I don't think this push to recognize asexuality is about average people with a low libido wanting an identity. It's about young people who have suffered the consequences of treatments coming to terms with the fact that they have lost an essential part of themselves trying to justify this as an 'identity' and finding out that no one cares.

Yes. And it’s also about groups like Mermaids finding out what they’ve done to kids and having to justify it.

When I did a population dynamics module years ago at university, there was this effect where populations got so out of control it affected the behaviour of that stressed population so it certain examples fecundity (reproductive production) went down. Maybe the asexual stuff is a twisted version of this?
What was interesting is Disney and lemmings. There’s a folklore that lemmings reach such high numbers that they somehow knowingly kill themselves by jumping off cliffs. There’s a Disney film from the 1950s that reinforces this and it was totally manufactured - the production crew were responsible for importing them and pushing them off. Another interesting parallel with media creating a false poor mental health narrative.

That's very likely. What a toxic mess...

I find the whole community toxic - its far from welcoming for many women. I just feel like it's easier to hide my sexuality now because I don't feel like I belong anywhere. It certainly doesn't feel like a 'safe space' for me.

@IwantToRetire :"I suspect how women experience same sex attraction, and how men experience same sex attraction is very different, as is their way of celebrating / expressing it."
Absolutely Lesbians and Gay men have very different cultures. Saunas; places for no- strings sex, popular among gay men, do not exist for Lesbians!
We have the coffee date, which is basically a first date where you interview each other as a possible partner/spouse. Lesbians are monogamous homebodies who do relationships just like straight women.

Yes I know quite a few lesbian couples who went full out domestic set up, but also know lesbians who are all for evenings at bars (when they existed) and one night stands.

But without wanting to enforce stereotypes, feel the fetish styles and public sex exhibition of some gay men, doesn't really exist in the same way for lesbians.

And it was the dominance of the fetish overt sexuality that put a lot of women off from what became (male dominated) Pride, post Gay Liberation, but pre trans / drag queen (male dominated) rainbow parades.

That article is like a Monty Python sketch. Being asexual isn’t a sexuality and if you have no sex drive you need to see your GP unless you are a new mum in which case just focus on getting some sleep!!

What do you mean my decision not to have a partner?
I want a partner, I’m looking for one.
Asexuality has nothing to do with not wanting a partner, that’s more of an aromantic area.

You didn’t answer any of my questions, why would I (or anyone), going by your rules, care about anyone else either?

I don’t have issues, thank you very little, I’m jut being realistic.