Suella Braverman thread 2

[AdamRyan]

As we filled up thread one eith our battling over whether it's feminist or racist to support Suella Braverman's weekend statements, I thought another would be good.

Here's some of what she said:

"What's clear is what we've seen is a practice whereby vulnerable white English girls, sometimes who are in care, sometimes in challenging circumstances, being pursued and raped and drugged and harmed by gangs of British Pakistani men who've worked in child abuse rings or networks. We've seen institutions and state agencies, whether it's social workers, teachers, the police turn a blind eye to these signs of abuse out of political correctness, out of fear of being called racist, out of fear of being called bigoted. And as a result, thousands, we are not talking small numbers, we are talking large numbers, thousands of children have had their childhoods robbed and devastated. And there are many of these perpetrators still running wild, behaving in this way. And it's now down to the authorities to track these perpetrators down, without fear or favour, relentlessly and bring them to justice"

Sunak has since rowed back on this and the Home Offices own research suggests there is not enough quality research to say any particular ethnicity is disproportionately involved in "grooming gangs"

I don’t trust the NSPCC anymore. They are as captured as everyone else.

Heartbreaking testimony from a victim (survivor is more apt though) of a grooming gang.

A woman who was sexually exploited for a decade from the age of 13 has told Suella Braverman that the Home Office has "routinely" failed victims like her.
In a harrowing letter to the Home Secretary, she said she had to wait 562 days for officials to finally recognise she was a victim - during which time she had nowhere safe to stay.

Responding to Ms Braverman's pledge at the weekend to finally tackle the sickening abuse, the woman wrote: "Whilst I acknowledge your statement that you vow to stamp out child grooming gangs, that is a very easy statement to make.
"Victims of this crime all around the country have heard it all before. Although you've announced new measures to tackle the issue, it makes me question how this is achievable when there are so many flaws in the systems already in place, such as The National Referral Mechanism?"

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/woman-trafficked-13-grooming-gang-29617144.amp

I see that my comment got deleted.

For anyone curious, here it is with the direct accusation at the OP removed:

A rise.

A rise.

That could be from 0-1 it does not make it a proportionally significant threat to Islamic extremism.

[redacted]

If you call ordinary people on the centre right or centre left ‘far right’ when they speak truthfully about unpleasant consequences of political decisions they are living through, then you create that context [conducive to fostering a rise in far right extremism] where it didn’t previously exist - through your silencing, suppression, denial, minimising and glossing over their suffering. It only serves to piss people off and persuades no one. [redacted]

I hope that Jess Phillips secures a meeting between this young woman and Suella Braverman.

And if she could avoid getting embroiled in TRA propaganda on IWD that would be great too.

Yes this has happened, is happening, no one has said it has not.

But thats the Govt's job to stop it, they didn't, they protected Saville too and he wasn't from Pakistan, the Police protected the killers of Stephen Lawrence too.

As i said on the previous thread, i think the authorities hide behind "racism", i think the real reason is found in the recorded comments of that senior Met Officer who said 99% of rape claims were regretful sex/to hide cheating etc.

Some in authority (& it is some, not all) see these girls as beyond the pale, not worthy of help, they simply can't be bothered, same as they don't pursue rape and other sexual assaults.

I'm sre there are well meaning but misguided people in other areas that do nothing because of cultural sensitivities but the Police are not bound by such things, they follow the law and are answerable to the GOvt of the day.

I also wonder what made Braverman decide to talk on this issue and what will actually happen?

I don’t trust the NSPCC anymore. They are as captured as everyone else

Captured? what do you mean? Why don't you trust them?

I think the NSPCC do amazing work, though TBH i don't Child Protection should be done by a charity.

Trans activists.

Transactivist nobbers blight the whole charity sector, courtesy of well-paid D&I consultants.

Hmm. On the previous thread there were some comments about people (in wider society) being woke to the point that they were scared to accuse British Pakistani men of rape.

Here, there’s people being so tied to their anti-trans ideology that they appear to disregard the very valid call from the NSPCC for prevention and victim support.

The important thing here is stronger prevention. The justice system actually prosecuting rape. An understanding of what trafficking and abuse looks like. A better understanding of who is at risk and why. Support for the victims of trafficking (which the government has just removed). Meaningful support for the victims of grooming gangs and abuse.

Looking forward to seeing which point in this post will be picked apart and which will continue to be ignored.

there’s people

One person. Me.

Don’t work yourself up and start extrapolating.

I completely agree that more needs to be done around prevention and victim support, but when they start making political points about how the Home Secretary should do her job, I think they should stick to theirs.

Too many dodgy arrogant twats with political agendas acting as spokespeople for charities.

I mean an NSPCC representative called parents ‘homophobic’ for being concerned about a bloke taking his fetish to work, creating porn, linking his work profile to it and non-judgmentally giving his account of being groomed into it by older men.

Bravo Endlesstea - you are completely right.

Their job - which includes victim support and understanding of prevention, which makes them very well placed offer advice to the government.

The situation in your last post is batshit crazy. But the link I posted is a different person within the organisation taking about a different topic that is - and here’s the important point - very important and in no way controversial.

I mean, one conservative mp was arrested on suspicion of sexually abusing boys. Does that mean the entire party needs to stand down?

I agree.

She shouldn't even be in office anyway.

Child predators not from ‘one background’, NSPCC tells Home Secretary

Yes we fucking know. We are not thick. We know that there are all sorts of predators. The issue is, police and MI5 are being discouraged from going after offenders from ‘one background’ for political reasons.

From the press release, the NSPCC are clearly in on this discouragement. They sing from the same hymn sheet as the rest of the stat-massaging ideologues.

I don’t think “Bravo” would be my choice of words for someone who’s responded to two posts which focused on the need for prevention and victim support (one by one of the victims herself) by shoehorning in unrelated comments but I guess we’re all different.

I am so fed up with the wilful stupidity.

Saying a specific minority of people are treated as a sacred caste by the police is not the same as saying that group are responsible for the majority of offending.

Who is discouraging police and MI5 for political reasons? Genuine question, I’m not disagreeing with you.

Because that’s surely one of the absolute first things that would need to be tackled. Who is giving these orders and why. Why do people feel compelled to follow them. Do those orders conflict with or support the misogyny and classism that lead to victims being disbelieved or disregarded?

Because logically, the Home Office is in charge of the police. If so have those orders been coming from the Home Office?

A little snippy emotional manipulation to go with your afternoon tea.

D&I consultants. For example Susie Green of Mermaids got an award from MI5 and had a fantastic relationship with the police.

So a trans activist (have I got that right? No idea) is forcing the police to ignore crimes committed by British Pakistani men. Because… ?

In this article I linked to upthread, they touch upon the culture that leads to the double standards https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-counter-terrorism-strategy-needs-refocus-islamism-review-2023-02-08/

Sorry, you’re calling someone snippy? 😂 After you just called people “willfully stupid”? If you don’t like being called out on it, don’t shoehorn anti trans rhetoric into posts about female victims of rape and grooming.