I know many are sceptical re: Matt Walsh but this is so worth watching...

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Matt Walsh stumps a trans EMT:

"A trans EMT tried to use his medical training to prove that sex is not binary. He ran into trouble when I asked him how he’d respond to a patient with a penis who claims he’s having a miscarriage." https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1643450523235028995?cxt=HHwWhsDUteTi2s4tAAAA

I watched all three clips including his final speech . Very good to see debate at last .

I am just about at the end of my tether with Dylan mulveney becoming the paid representative for Nike womens sports clothing and Kate spade handbags . Plus the new transwoman advertising seafolly costumes .

And then to top it all Starmer today doing a vote catching U TURN and all us women are supposed to be grateful and fall at his feet after everything he said .

I watched this video from the same event with a women talking about 'gender affirming surgery and drugs' bringing happiness and being life enhancing and even life saving.

What struck me most about the exchange was that despite Matt Walsh clarifying a number of times with her that what they were talking about meant 'physical and chemical castration of children', she simply nodded happily along with the terms.

No shock. No reflection on what was being said out loud. Yes, it was 'castration of children' but that's ok when it brings 'happiness' and might 'save lives'. Her enthusiasm never waned, even as she struggled to provide any evidence that her confidence was fully supported by actual real life, documented outcomes.

It's quite disturbing to listen to.

https://twitter.com/yaf/status/1643445736028229633

Wow, that was incredible.

The truth must hurt but it's less painful than mutilating your body.

The first bit is great but really nothing more than we've been saying here for years, including the leg argument.

That second segment is incredibly powerful. It seems to me to be exactly what trans people need to hear — because as he says, what is being perpetrated is a tragedy for them. The message that we are our bodies and we need to deal with reality needs to be said time and time again.

That speech where he says these people cheering you on don’t care about you was very powerful. It reminded me of that detransitioner who recorded themselves speaking to their therapist and asking why didn’t you stop me etc and the therapist didn’t really have an answer. It was awful to listen to.

What I don’t get is why none of them ever try and look or sound like a woman when speaking. Those two didn’t pass but others get the FFS, the breasts, wear the makeup and feminine clothes, even get voice training and then they gesture and speak in exactly the same way. So close and yet so far.

I noticed that the Budweiser sponsorship backfired - some high profile American men have been demonstrating their objections (Kid Rock and Kelly Slater 😆)

I don't like the guy at all, not so far below the surface he's pushing a very right wing/Christian etc agenda. The TRA's, by consistently spouting such drivel, are a gift to his kind, all he needs to do is point out a few obviously true things about sex and gender and he's halfway towards getting at least some people to accept the darker side of his message.

Yes, I watched the whole thing just now, I mean, I definitely do not agree with everything MW stands for, and his constant chiding of the left is a bit annoying, but in this he is pretty clear and eloquent. Both men who stood up were brave though, I wonder if they will walk away and question it all a bit more, i hope so, I mean if you've only been a women for 2 years, that pretty much means you ain't one!

It was also very worrying when the blond girl spoke about learning about different brains at school, she truly believes it....

"They seem to be muddling up the fact that primary and secondary sexual characteristics vary in appearance (breasts range from cup size AA to K, penises from micro to porno, some men can barely manage a goatee let alone a full Captain Birdseye Beard) with sex itself (two types of gonads, two types of gametes, two types of genitals and an entire body arranged around that reproductive system, eg women having more body fat and a wider pelvis).

I blame Mermaids and the GenderBread Man and that sodding unicorn."

I am trying to figure out what is at the root of it and I'm not convinced we have yet worked out the cause. Scientifically, I think the error is in thinking that all these disparate effects of sex (breast size, interior reproductive organs, height, shoulder span, etc) can be somehow summed onto one axis. In that model, ok, you can use estrogen to cause breast to grow, or you can use mastectomy to remove breasts, and can thus create the appearance of the desired sex. In reality, sex is along one of two pathways (male or female) that affects you throughout development. Some features are not affected by the pathway (hair color probably a good example). Some individual downstream features can be modified at one particular time, whether by surgery or hormones. Developmental disorders, illness, and perhaps some environmental factors, can affect the pathway at various point in development. But the pathway itself will continue to affect each cell of the body in a way that is governed by the person's sex.

Matt Walsh is Catholic, there’s no hidden agenda. He has staunch Catholic beliefs.

He is also very good at public speaking and debating. I don’t care if I don’t agree with him on other issues, I’m pleased he is able to argue so coherently against trans ideology.

We probably agree on some other things as well as that people can’t change sex, such as there are 12 months in a year and when
thirsty it’s good to drink water.

I agree he’s pointing out a few obviously true things, but doing that in public, with cameras on you, isn’t easy. I think people like Matt Walsh will be more effective at dismantling this gender bullshit than an academic left-wing feminist publishing a 1000 word article describing how gender ideology harms left-wing women.

I wonder if it’s been co-opted from sport, and those attempts to shoe horn male athletics with DSDs into female competitions.

years ago I saw a medical presentation also outlining masculine versus feminine body characteristics in the context of categorising whether an athlete with a XY DSD had gone through an androgenising puberty. It also talked of the sex spectrum.

I don’t care that people here have been saying the same things for years.

I care that someone with a platform is carefully, logically and articulately dismantling the trans ideology edifice.

It’s not a competition.

aloris · Yesterday 19:24

I also felt bad for the EMT as the message being presented to them was that scientists believe sex is on a spectrum. I don't understand what scientists are doing here, allowing this falsehood to be propagated...

Well, the thing is that they're not. A very small number of third tier scientists have said it, but none of their colleagues take it seriously.

It's akin to the odd nurse saying that vaccines kill more people than Covid, it's bullshit, propagated by very rare whack jobs.

As for mumbloke, he took an awful long time to answer about which quotes from the podcast resonated with him; as if he had to think something up. If it had affected him so powerfully, you'd have thought that a couple of things would have sprung to mind instantly.

As for mumbloke, he took an awful long time to answer about which quotes from the podcast resonated with him; as if he had to think something up. If it had affected him so powerfully, you'd have thought that a couple of things would have sprung to mind instantly

Porn

@RoseslnTheHospital
" EMT person doesn't mean truth in the usual sense. They mean "personal truth" where alternative facts are welcome. "

Aye, 'appen! Yeah, they're away with the fairies, him and his friends! And because they're all loons, they just spend their lives convincing each other how right they are, wrongly!

Matt Walsh knows what a woman is because he essentially thinks they should be in the kitchen. With their babies.

Ben Shapiro, Walsh's mate and colleague/business partner, has been having similar discussions in public way before Walsh got involved. He's brilliant at sticking to reality as well and has received death threats because of it (as has Walsh). He has been cancelled from numerous events and just laughs at it.

Like with Walsh, I disagree fundamentally with Shapiro on a great many things, but at least they use logic in their arguments. I may not agree with their logic, but at least they aren't basing their argument on their personal subjective reality.

I do not believe that Walsh hasn't come across KJK. Or this forum. His early days on this were almost parroting her words. The keg argument could have been made with arms or ears or eyes and yet he happened to choose leg? The guy makes his living from the online world, there's no way he hasn't come across the very few places online where these discussions are happening. Shapiro on the other hand was doing this far earlier and his arguments were in the same vein as us and Walsh, but he was clearly using his own examples and spin.

But if anyone here is upset about hearing "their" good arguments or slogans used validly by someone they don't like, then that's a "you" problem.

If you didn't want your arguments and slogans shared and repeated, did you really want to win?

This is a political debate, not a marketing campaign. We're not trying to promote any particular group or individual here - we're trying to change policy.

If you think the "wrong" people are making "your" arguments more prominently, you'll just have to speak louder - benefiting both you and the cause. Attacking them doesn't benefit the cause, and probably won't even help you. (I can think of some recent examples of that.)

I'll have to watch whole thing.

It's seems 'sex is on a spectrum' is the new sexuality is on a spectrum or neurodiversity.

I'm interested in what the EMT guy is being taught and just why healthcare is saying sex is spectrummy?

Seemed to be something to do with hormone levels.

Abso bloody lutely!

And the more different groups and agendas pushing back against this ideology, the wider the pushback, the more successful it will be.

If only left wing academics are allowed to push, then hell we may as well give up now. We actually want people who are 'not like us' objecting as well!

And when Matt Walsh is talking about women not being ordained or teaching in church, then I'll argue against him and call him out as a dinosaur.

I suspect that with the 30 year old porn had a great deal to do with it.

I think when you are talking about universal truths that the same, or even just the same kind of arguments, will occur to different people because they fit the logic that upholds that truth.

But yes, if someone else is using a debate point that is a great one (and maybe unique or not) to highlight the weakness of these people’s reasons and the lack of evidence, I expect it will get used by others.

I could honestly scream with frustration that the left has staunchly taken the anti reality position on this. Right wingers effortlessly get to look like sane, smart, measured realists to anyone with two eyes in their head.

I’m a life long lefty, yet here I am, nodding along with Matt wash clips and Brendan O’Neill columns (he’s admittedly more of a libertarian but still the kind of rent-a-gob I used to scorn) and saying, won’t somebody think of the children! unironically.

No sympathy from me either for the EMT worker nor the linebacker, but good on them for showing up and giving their arguments, and for the audience for behaving respectfully. We need public debate if this bollocks is ever going to fade away.

The Brit in question probably “casts” his “pod” on onlyfans, I wouldn’t have wanted to recount that in public either.

Okay… that makes sense too. I never thought of that. Because I couldn’t work out who it might be that was so convincing and active 3 years ago.

Then I thought, it could be anyone really as this individual didn’t seem very bright at all. The porn connection really does sound even more likely now. Probably involved hypno sissy porn.

I think "mother superior" was my kind of working title nickname for yer man there.