I know many are sceptical re: Matt Walsh but this is so worth watching...

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Matt Walsh stumps a trans EMT:

"A trans EMT tried to use his medical training to prove that sex is not binary. He ran into trouble when I asked him how he’d respond to a patient with a penis who claims he’s having a miscarriage." https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1643450523235028995?cxt=HHwWhsDUteTi2s4tAAAA

Matt Walsh is a conservative who is like a shock jock in many interactions. He doesn't seem to agree or like feminists. But he has his own motivations for persisting with exposing gender identity ideology.

It's a shmaeth thought experiment with the tw "having a miscarriage" wasn't take further.

Let say the EMT turns up, the patient with a penis (PWP) says "I am having a miscarriage". EMT sees that PWP has, in fact, a penis. Tells PWP that it is not a miscarriage. PWP insists that it is a miscarriage. PWP has blood in underwear, an claims to be 5 weeks pregnant. However, PWP is very clearly both be-penised and be-testicled. PWP insists on being taken to the hospital.

To which ward should PWP go? Obs&Gynae or Psych?

Why?

it's a shame *.

My phone is being a bit bonkers today.

That curly headed person seems to need some mental health support. I suspect that they have some underlying issues that need addressing. And the people in that person's life need to stop lying about them being a woman.

The worst part is.

If a man is having heavy bleeding from below its probably quite urgent to get it diagnosed, not messing around trying to manage a miscarriage.

Cannot abide Matt Walsh. But cannot stop watching his take down of this ideology. Although he used more than once, arguments that we honed for years on here.

Reality isn't unique to mumsnet.

The arguments didn't really need honing for years? It's completely obvious to everyone not captured by ideology

I just watched the clip. I felt a bit sorry for the bloke with the curly hair. Everybody laughing because he was made to look foolish. You can see how emotionally invested he is in believing in this stuff and how upsetting it is to have it all denied. It’s like a believer trying to defend the existence of God in a room full of atheists.

Having said that, it’s a really important clip. MW does really well to keep him engaged.

This man doesn't have friends, he has acquaintance's afraid to tell him the truth.

That’s really lovely

One thing I find really offensive- and it's been practised on me in real life- is the patronising 'oh when you are as clever as me, and look into it further, you realise it's actually very complicated. I can't explain it to you because you aren't as clever as me...'.

And as for Matt Walsh, I don't get it? Why is it that we are supposed to distance ourselves from someone because we only agree with some of what they say?
I don't respect and associate with only those people I completely agree with on all subjects, neither do I like everyone who shares my world view.

Jordan Peterson is great in some situations, remaining calm and analytical when surrounded by emotion. I really enjoy that.
In others I feel like telling him to 'shut up, you don't speak for women'.

I don't understand why we are expected to be tribesmen, to clan together with the like minded and agree on all things.

If I say 'Matt Walsh is great on this', then that is exactly what I mean.
'This is good,' means THIS 3min video is good. It doesn't mean I'm crashing on Matt Walsh, agree with everything he says and want to have his babies.

Oops. Brief rant. Sorry.

Out of curiosity, I just checked how long EMT training is: 120 hours completed over 6 months to a year.

I'm not dismissing the value of that learning, but it's not really enough to identify as an expert in biology is it?

Thank you! I feel the same and don't have the patience, time or tiiiny fingers to accurately articulate this via my phone.

I expect he can identify as an expert in biology, which naturally isn't the same as being one.

Richard Dawkins, Robert Winston and countless other actual biologists say there are only two sexes and it's impossible to change sex, so that pretty much destroys this guy's delusion that he has more expertise than anyone else.

Rant away pickled.

I find it hard to believe that this would not be the majority view. He has said some questionable things that I find , but I also agree with him on other things. Just like I view everyone in the world.

I also think it is important to listen to as many people who have views I don't agree with to understand their views and what their views are based on. So, I also don't agree with the 'don't give them the audience' approach. I don't agree that saying that you agree with this point and not that point and analysing what someone says is 'promoting' that person.

I have been thinking about this clip a bit more, and he is right - it’s the people who want others to accept themselves and refuse to indulge their delusions who really care and those who push them further into living a lie who don’t care.

In this thread, with a conversation between transitioners and detransitioners- you just want to give Luka and Shape-shifter huge hugs because of how rejected they feel as detransitioners. https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4776857-new-detransitioners-allowed-to-speak-detrans-vs-trans-jubliee-channel-youtube?reply=125132011

I don’t agree with Walsh on a lot of things but he is absolutely spot on with this.

A master of logic. Shut the idiot down so easily.

It was GLORIOUS

I really worry about the young woman I know.
Trauma history, possibly sexual abuse. Care background. No gender dysphoria as a young child. In fact always wanted babies, and seemed most at risk of teen pregnancy more than anything else.

Now- Taking testosterone, saving for a mastectomy and hysterectomy. It doesn't matter that it's experimental, or that women's medicine is under researched and understood because 'trans life expectancy is only 30 anyway, so what's to lose?'.

I know there are some transmen who have been transitioned a long time, and seem happy with who they are.
That's not much reassurance.

He's not making any arguments that GC women haven't been making for years. Still it's good to see.

Same reaction as when TW who "live life fully as women" are asked how they cope with their monthly periods! 😂

Isn't it good to see what happens in a room when no one is shouted down, heckled, where mistruths are immediately challenged, where everyone is given space to talk.

Where the other side are on the other foot. No wonder they didn't want debate for so long.

Matt Walsh is a bit of a knob and I doubt I would want to lick about with him.

But…

The ‘can a chicken cry’ interview is my top nomination for ‘hilarious shit that happened during (my own!) 6 years in the gender wars’.

And he is absolutely resolute in not backing down to the mob, even when the mob is his own side (as happened recently when some US conservatives decided he was a meany).

It’s much worse when the criticism comes from your own side (whatever that means in these weird times!) which is why JK Rowling is such a shero.

Haha KICK about!

I deffo don’t want to LICK Matt Walsh.

From Endless
'I just watched the clip. I felt a bit sorry for the bloke with the curly hair. Everybody laughing because he was made to look foolish. You can see how emotionally invested he is in believing in this stuff and how upsetting it is to have it all denied. It’s like a believer trying to defend the existence of God in a room full of atheists.'

The trouble is that we (I.e.adult human females) feel sorry for TW when they are faced with the truth that they cannot argue against. As I did. But, the male entitled angry mob that put KJK's life at risk, broke a woman's foot, and fractured another women's eye socket in Auckland is what lies behind this ideology. This is where being kind has got us - so yes, i did tell sorry for him, but tough.