A little victory for Ireland regarding pronouns after huge backlash

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https://gript.ie/garda-commissioner-withdraws-gender-pronoun-plan-after-backlash/

The Irish need to keep the pressure up. People power. The tide has turned. People are having no more of this nonsense.
Next step reverse the GRA.

They do it in real life too.
Someone I know actually stuck her fingers in her ears and went la la la when asked!!

I'm friends with men. I'm even married to one. I'm respectful of men, as I am of everyone. Many men are lovely, most are broadly OK. Wayne Couzens, Peter Tobin, Jordan McSweeney and the like are not typical.

But I still don't want men in women's spaces.

Absolutely. I'm 43 I don't want strange men in my personal private spaces nor do I want my young daughters thinking it's the norm. It's not.
This be kind & compromise business has to stop. TW have their own biological spaces, they can lobby for their own spaces.
Many TW (90% still have penises) identify as "lesbians" & are attracted to women. Considering most have their penises, this is a very serious safeguarding issue that is being brushed under the carpet.
Just to clarify I gave no issues whatsoever with lb in my spaces or my daughters spaces. They are women just like us. It's the "TW identifying lesbians" with (or without) their penises that need to come up with a plan b pronto as plan a does not sit comfortably with most women I know including lb friends & family who are at just as much risk from TW

I do know many GC people including close friends and we've discussed it. I was a lot closer to that view myself originally. People I've talked to in real life do not talk about trans people in the horrible scathing terms I've seen used by some people here. If anyone talked about a group of people in a dehumanising way, I'd not have much respect for them though.

You must be killed out on the trans forums giving out about the way they speak about women.

I wouldn't be able for it myself

The Tories in the UK need some way of desperately staying in power. Their hope seems to be to stoke the culture wars. Parties in Ireland similarly need distraction from the cost of living and housing crises. The issues they seem to be backing, especially in the UK, are anti trans & anti refugee. This thread is an example of the kind of people they are appealing to. The 'etc' covers the fact that they will go for other minorities or 'woke' issues if they think it can take some heat off them.

I comment on forums I'm a member of, & I've been a member of Mumsnet since I found out I was pregnant. Occasionally, I open these anti-trans threads on this forum but they're hard going, especially if you give an opinion that doesn't agree with the majority.

But is that the best you can do? The 'trans forums' say bad things too? It's embarrassingly childish.

God no, its not trans forums saying nasty things to women that stands out here. Nasty things online are something we all have to deal with.

It's more like women speaking on womems rights getting rushed, elderly women getting punched in the face, lesbians getting shouted down for trying to organise, a children's protection activist getting assaulted while police laugh in the background, a trans person committing a school shooting and trans activists insensitively staging marches and "die ins" as though they are the real victims of society before the 9 year old victims have had a chance to be buried. That's only in the last 10 days.

Any of that come up in the forums you're a member of?
What did you say?

Setting aside how accurate this is or isn't, it isn't an excuse to be hateful about all trans people. I was replying to a comment about 'trans forums'. It is bigoted to suggest that trans people as a group bear any responsibility for the actions of a few. But some can't see it when it's to do with trans people. If you said group X were dangerous, because one group X member carried out a school shooting I'd hope most people would be appalled. But because it's trans people, it's fair game.

@Wonderingiforifnot are you happy to share women's spaces including toilets, changing areas, prisons & our basic human rights with men?

Do you think a person with a penis, no female sex organs, no monthly periods or who will never ever be able to have a baby is a woman?

Do you realise how oppressed women in Ireland have always been. We've only been allowed to vote since 1922 ffs & now we have been trampling & pissing all over our basic human rights as women. And we're not given any choice just told put up or just up like we were pre 1922 which wasn't too long ago.

It is anti progressive. It is backwards taking away our rights in such a brazen fashion. Silencing us.

Progressive would be creating a third sex, giving trans people their own set of rights, their own public areas. Then all of us can live together peacefully

I am delighted with the way things have turned so quickly in the UK. I hope to God women get their human rights & male free spaces back.
Our neighbours have seen how the GRA has been a disaster here in Ireland & Scotland. For their daughters sakes they need to fight for their basic women's rights.

And I hope to God that Ireland follows suit & brings us women back on the right side of history again like 1922.

What relevance have UK social and political preoccupations to do with Ireland?

Different history, different education structure, different life stories, different world view. We have our own problems and need change, and running around chasing UK weirdness is a waste of time.

@DeanVolecapeAKAelderberry exactly & the UK hasn't passed a GRA like we have here. We are a way deeper ensconced in this.
The Suffragette women of 100 years ago who got us our right to vote & other basic women's rights must be turning in their graves now to them we gave our rights away to men so willy nilly.

It literally says the relevance in the post you've quoted!

@Wonderingiforifnot i have asked you a few questions can you answer them please?

No it doesn't, the post I quoted bangs on about the Tories.

Women got the vote in ireland in 1918 after a campaign by the Suffragettes and a much larger campaigns by Sinn Fein (not the same party as the present day one) which emphasised the importance of a universal franchise. The first woman elected to parliament in what was then a UK election was Constance Markieveicz, and when she decided to take her seat in a new Dail in Dublin rather than in Westminster it was a decisive step towards independence.

Only 100 years ago & no look at the turmoil the GRA has caused.
I am watching the equality act changes in the UK closely, I hope common sense wins out & that the same happens here.

Read it properly, or does that not suit your agenda?

"What relevance have UK social and political preoccupations to do with Ireland?"

"Parties in Ireland similarly need distraction from the cost of living and housing crises." Pretend it's not written there if you want.

When I read through threads like this I am glad of the posts that do challenge the view of trans people portrayed here, that's why I comment. So many disingenuous responses though.

@Wonderingiforifnot can you answer by questions plesase? Looks like you are conveniently ignoring me🤔

I'm on a thread giving my opinion on attitudes to trans people in Ireland. I don't need to answer your questionnaire to do that! I don't think this is the place for reasoned debate as some posters (I don't know if you're one of them) can't resist using hateful language or deliberately missing the point and so on.

But @Wonderingiforifnot surely you can give your opinion. I asked do you believe a person with a penis, no reproductive organs, will never be able to menustrate or never be able to reproduce can be a woman??? Well do you???
... After all monthly periods are a huge part of living as a woman as we well know.

We all know the answer is no. Even the most advance science in the world will never be able to turn a man into a woman.

So why are these men allowed into our spaces? Why are woman allowing it to happen?

Deliberately missing what point? The basic point is a man cannot be a woman. They can wear women's clothes, change their names, put on lipstick but they will never be women & therefore do not have the right into women's spaces.

It's very pertinent.
Women are saying, We need to keep our spaces because 1% (lets say) of males are violent.
1% (lets say) of Trans people are answering that with ...violence.... to try and prove we don't have to fear violence.

We make laws to mitigate against the 1%, the edge cases. Everyone understands that most people decent.

@1Week yes but they're still not women so should not be allowed access to women's spaces. It's ludicrous. Why are their feelings overriding biological women?
Their should be no penises in women's spaces end of. I really do hope the government reverses the GRA it is of no benefit to biological women.

You slip in a sentence about Ireland, but preceded it with

The Tories in the UK need some way of desperately staying in power. Their hope seems to be to stoke the culture wars.

and followed it with

The issues they seem to be backing, especially in the UK, are anti trans & anti refugee.

who is this 'they' ? - the only way I can read it that 'they' are Tories, a foreign political party regarded with bewildered dislike by anyone in Ireland who notices they exist. Even our Garda Commissioner, trained in an area of the UK with a long tradition of violent colonial policing, comes from a place with no Tories. Assorted Unionists, but no Tories.

Why even mention foreign political parties (particularly one in a country with an electoral system so flawed it barely qualifies as democratic) in a thread about Ireland?

Actually, quite a lot of Tories support Self ID. They include Penny Mordaunt who stood for the leadership when Johnson resigned. She is a possible future leader , given the dearth of talent on the Tory benches now.

Our own Tories seem to be fully captured by the trans ideology. I suppose they'll have a line to use on the doorsteps when it comes up.

' You're the nineteenth person I've told today : it's just not an issue! '