Can MNHQ set up a new discussion category called Feminism: sex & gender discussion (inclusive, non-GC)

[PlanetLuna]

MN, will you please create a talk group/category of Feminism: sex & gender discussion (inclusive, non-GC)?

MN appears to currently have only 2 feminism categories:
Feminism: chat
Feminism: sex & gender discussions

But the Feminism: sex & gender category on MN is predominantly GC, with its emphasis on trans exclusion ideology. Feminists who do not subscribe to those beliefs are often unwelcome and treated with derision and hostility in discussions. Certainly not always as some GC posters do enjoy open, intellectual discussions but often enough that engagement can be toxic & intimidating all around.

It is almost impossible for non-GC feminists to find inclusive/non-GC feminist discussions, and we have to wade through unpleasant (for us) GC threads while attempting to do so.

GC feminism dominates on UK parenting sites in particular. However, inclusive/non-GC feminism is extremely popular around the world (especially in places like the US, NZ, and AU) and in the UK among younger feminists and those who do not see trans rights as a threat to women & girls’ safety. Many UK feminists are non-GC but may feel silenced on MN.

The addition of another category will help open up and improve MN discussions while reducing the toxicity and hostility that many feminists on both sides experience in discussions.

So I propose the following feminism discussion categories:
Feminism: chat (general)
Feminism: sex & gender discussions (GC)
Feminism: sex & gender discussion (inclusive, non-GC)

@MNHQ

The other threads I asked to have deleted. One was a positive comment about the King’s recent trip with a snarky comment about QC Camilla & a related photo. The others were positive but I had them all deleted to withdraw from the thread.

It sounds to me that you don't really understand the nature of message boards like this. People are allowed to disagree with you, and assertively too. What other people say to you doesn't actually matter. You don't know them, they don't know you. Sometimes it can be useful to think about what they've said because it can actually help you learn. People don't have to be nice to you.

Are you very young, @PlanetLuna ? Have you come from a culture where no one said anything in case they caused offence? A culture of trigger warnings and Be Kind? This is a feminist board full of second-wave feminists and thoughtful, often highly educated women. We aren't here to please each other. We expect you to come with a cogent and sustainable argument, based on evidence and reality. If all you can respond with is 'I want a board where people will agree with me' all I can suggest is that Instagram would probably suit you better. Or a Twitter bubble.

Even if OP got her own topic I think it would be just her talking to herself TBH - would be tumbleweed in there!

Sorry yes, specifically with regard to talking

Yes! I would very much like this. Thank you.

Actually laughed out loud at this.

Well one does get the feeling that if anyone didn't agree with her she'd (presuming, here) ask for their post to be deleted.

It's the Easter holidays. Lots of teens at home looking for something to do...

Also have to say that if you want keep GC voices off one board then you have just proven that you want to live in an echo chamber

So what you want is a board where you can compare GC women to Nazis and white supremacists without opposition?

Don't you think, OP, that your suggestion is why there is such a mess on trans rights (including a backlash that can't be helpful to trans people)?

I get that the GC feminism board can be a bit much, but if you really thought your ideas were good ones, healing ones, convincing ones, wouldn't you want more than an echo chamber where people talk about GC views in a derogatory fashion and are likely (due to lack of representation) to misrepresent what they are?

For general non GC centred feminism (ie feminism that is more general, so doesn't centre sex) there is a board for that.

'Not today Satan' did it for me.

@BernardBlacksMolluscs
I know what you meant :) I just liked the juxtaposition your post highlighted.

In life GC women want sex based segregation. Gender borg want co-mingling.
In discussion it's reversed. GC women want co-mingled discussion. Gender borg want segregation.

there is the 'mush' board, too.

Hold on, why restrict this idea to the feminist forum? Can't we create a new category in Style and beauty for people who aren't interested in bags? I'd like to post about fashion and stuff without ever having to encounter handbags, shoulder bags or (urgh) totes. And maybe one that doesn't mention clothes, for days when getting dressed is a challenge.
Oh, and a gardening subsection that doesn't include South facing gardens. Mine is North facing, and the many mentions of sun loving plants can all be a bit too much.

Helleofabore
Agreed. (Shakes hand👍)

Oh yes, that was quite the discovery

sporners corner is tragically under utilised

you could do your white supremacist spiel there OP?

I’d be prepared to accept this if we could also exclude people who think it’s a good idea to get one’s colours ‘done’

Hi @JoodyBlue
Thanks for your response.

I would expect and hope for a reasoned discussion.

I would hope that anyone engaging on those topics would do so with the understanding that some feminists simply do not agree with GC feminism and do not want those conversations derailed.

Sub-Section:
Was the Chalet School sexist and misogynistic?

You can post those topics on any relevant board on Mumsnet or even your own section should they give you one. What you can't do is restrict who responds.

So wherever you post it you will get pushback and counter arguments. As someone else pointed out this isn't Twitter and you can't restrict replies from anyone who disagrees.

If you genuinely only want to talk with people who agree with you on sites that will ban any hint of dissent on your behalf then the wider internet is your oyster.

Just wanted to say I totally get it OP. I was so confused by all the GC nonsense categorised as ‘feminism’ - I have a VERY different understanding of feminism, and my brand of feminism has a different set of priorities (employment and economic equality above bathroom politics). I also find the tone of GC crowd to be incredibly offensive in many instances. I’m sorry you have had so many unpleasant comments. At this point I have given up on discussing this topic on mumsnet - let them shout at each other.

“Derailed”

(challenged)

Good idea. People who don't like crate training should have a separate board in the doghouse, for example.

Incidentally, I wouldn't expect the suggestion of a separate board over there on the many and varied and utterly fictitious gender identities of dogs would go over too well, or attract a lot of traffic.

I don’t use Twitter so I can’t comment on that but every single time I have posted on the feminist board I have been shot down by the majority.

You and other posters say my views are similar to the majority of posters on here but my experience is the complete opposite which I find very frustrating because you can’t have a discussion if posters just shut you straight down.
Most MNers will not even come into the feminist board for this reason.

Of course it’s not every poster but it’s enough to stop people like me posting any more and I believe it’s the reason why the OP wants a thread where things can actually be discussed and not just silence you.

The Women's Rest Room will be open for cakes and recipes, but as no licence, only tea and coffee will be available.

Jokes and jibes are accepted as payment.

A safe space to recuperate and be reinvigorated so as to continue to ignore the relentless finger wagging that it isn't very nice that women get loud and assertive when fighting for their rights.

may I suggest that you start threads about these topics on feminism chat?