Detransitioners

[NellieEllie]

I’m drafting a letter to my children’s school concerning some educational materials on “gender”.I have looked at a number of detransitioner videos, (harrowing) but I’m looking for one where gender stereotypes are mentioned. So, those who do not fit eg into a “feminine” idea of being a woman. Can anyone recommend pl?

https://www.wob.com/en-gb/books/ivan-coyote/tomboy-survival-guide/9781551526560?cq_src=google_ads&cq_cmp=19545754695&cq_con=&cq_med=pla&cq_plac=&cq_net=x&gclid=Cj0KCQjw8qmhBhClARIsANAtboen5QIwNeS0PzDmL58Ex1XWxMAaV6HaPKG9mMO1qfTMh0POLEafm70aAqCvEALw_wcB#GOR010012877

https://www.wob.com/en-gb/books/thomas-meinecke/tomboy/9781611090574?cq_src=google_ads&cq_cmp=18244219672&cq_con=&cq_med=pla&cq_plac=&cq_net=x&gclid=Cj0KCQjw8qmhBhClARIsANAtboc8vDevZ4cmqoOpyaLFHxmA6-7poq97pvzh7gcqObOG_qcLkO-0Bs0aAjCdEALw_wcB#GOR010580820

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/lifestyle/8935656/Girls-will-be-tomboys.html?WT.mc_id=tmgoff_psc_ppc_dsa_life&gclid=Cj0KCQjw8qmhBhClARIsANAtbodulGlEfRRi17gpsU4hgdcMllTyPjR14pSsn8hNctwnpRcXv0pAVeAaAqE-EALw_wcB

There is plenty more too. But I do not know what this has to do with detransition Ing.

@Ethan1312 Thank you. But I’m looking specifically for detransitioners talking about how not wanting to look “feminine “ played into a trans narrative. I have come across a few but did not save link.

https://www.feministcurrent.com/2020/08/07/interview-sam-nele-and-ellie-transitioned-as-young-women-living-as-men-before-realizing-theyd-made-a-mistake/

This is the website that Ellie and Nele from the above link run together.

Lots of different first person stories:

https://post-trans.com/

Have you read Keira Bell's story?

www.persuasion.community/p/keira-bell-my-story

I thought this was brilliant by Grace (Hormone Hangover)

hormonehangover.substack.com/p/thinspo-and-gender-goals

@CryptoFascistMadameCholet Many thanks. This looks like what I need, I’ll look later, thank you!
@Snoozems thanks v much for this. Yes I have that Keira Bell link, really useful. The other link looks good too, thank you.

Hi OP,

the rate of transition regret is 1%.

I recommend you tell the school this so they understand how terrible gender-affirming care is.

Source?

And what about the desister rate?

A recent NHS study in an adult GIC put the detransition rate at just under 7%

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34593070/

The Cass Review should be reporting shortly re: detransition amongst GIDS patients but that obviously won’t include the children whose parents have facilitated private doctors or grey market drugs, and certainly not the many children who have desisted without ever being seen at GIDS at all.

Lots of secondary school teachers will immediately recognise that your 1% is entirely irrelevant to the current teenage cohort - my stepdaughter’s year 10 group of 300 included approx 50 teen transmen and AFAB nonbinary identifying teens.

They are now half way through year 12 and more than half have desisted.

HTH!

Here is my source, it’s a review of 27 studies involving almost 8,000 teens and adults who had transgender surgeries, mostly in Europe. It shows the rate was 1%.

And what about the desister rate?
what about it??

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8099405/

And what about the desister rate?
what about it??

It’s extremely relevant to schools, as you can see from my daughter’s year group, most teenagers will never become ‘detransitioners’ because they will desist without medical intervention.

Did you read that study? It’s not very good.

‘Poor’ ‘fair’ ‘non validated surveys’

One detransitioner is one too many and proves 'diangnosis' and 'treatment' is defective.

@Bathhy Thank you . That review is based on studies of only “poor” or “fair” quality. It has been formally criticised- eg people who died from suicide or surgery not included, only short follow up 1-2yrs in most studies, inflated data, biased selection - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8751779/. Also cohort today iis different- huge increase & affirmative model.