Life without GC women

[StephanieSuperpowers]

There's a recent poll showing that most women don't want mixed sex toilets:

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/philosophy/trackers/support-for-separate-toilets-for-men-and-women-and-gender-neutral-toilets-in-public-spaces

It's happening anyway, regardless of what women want, just like the rest of this demented social experiment.

I wonder what it would be like if GC women quietly withdrew from public life outside work? If all social spaces were men, transwomen and transmen.

How would society function without the presence of women?

@inininsomnia Happily, there isn't a chance that you lot are the majority in society but all the laws have to be changed to accommodate men who want to be women?

Rapists in women's prisons. Do you support that because you don't think women are vulnerable to male violence, or is it because you think there is a class of men who should be excluded from safeguarding.

Do you run a women's refuge in Brighton by any chance?

The people 'imposing their will on others' are trans rights activists demanding that everyone comply with their version of reality.
Why should everyone be compelled to participate in their self image? If a man declares he's a woman, just because he says so - why the hell should I just accept that, and let him into women's spaces?

'You lot'....eh, you're not feminist love, you're a handmaiden.

@inininsomnia , do you believe that men convicted of sexual offences against women should be held in womens prisons? Do you think that men should play full-contact rugby against women? Do you think it is acceptable for a sex offender to change his name and gender, and thus evade safeguarding checks?

It starts with pronouns and #bekind, but it ends at places like this. I am not trying to attack you, but I would like to hear your thinking on these very real societal issues.

Unfortunately, @inininsomnia what we’re trying to point out, in the many discussions on this board, is that what some people seem to think of as living as ‘the gender that matches their reality’ includes forcing the other humans around them to jump through hoops, lose their privacy and dignity, and throw out an awful lot of safeguarding. It makes it very difficult to ‘live in cooperation with one another. ‘

Echo chamber? In your dreams. The world is waking up to this nonsense and no one, even "your lot" thinks that humans can change sex.

So as an “old school feminist” please explain how males reducing being a woman to a feeling, or sexist stereotypes is beneficial for women? As a feminist, shouldn’t you be believing the woman who says a man is not a woman rather than the man who says he is? Otherwise aren’t you doing exactly what you have claimed never to do, and be putting men first.

pas an old school feminist, please could you explain how gender identity benefits women and enhances womens rights?

Being GC adds nothing to society other than intolerance, division, hostility and contributing to the horrific rate of suicide deaths amongst trans people.

Or it could be that you are weaponising and exaggerating the suicide deaths among transpeople to try and push through an unpopular agenda that is trying to take away women's safegurading against the wishes of the majority of women.
Any push back that you receive you characterise as intolerance and hostility.

People genuinely think that it is women who think that biological sex, that instill the concept of biological sex upon the whole of humankind? And if only we disappear, men can have babies?

Oh my days.

Firstly you ain't no old school feminist.

Secondly "Being GC adds nothing to society other than intolerance, division, hostility" is the biggest pile of irony I've ever read on the women's rights board

Thirdly "the horrific rate of suicide deaths amongst trans people" doesn't exist and I'm 100% sure that you know that

Has anyone else noticed the amazing number of “old school feminists” who embrace gender ideology these days and lambast women for not putting males first. These “old school feminists” don’t seem very concerned with the adverse effect gender ideology is having on women and girls. Has old school feminism become a code word for gender ideologists now?

So have you told the gender ideologists to have calm rational debate or is it just women you scold? Why should women have calm rational discussions with people who assault, threaten and bully them? Surely as a feminist you mean sex equality, as gender is the tool of oppression for women?

Open debate - we've been here for years, pushing for that. There's been much screaming and rape and death threats as a result. A nice open calm debate takes two sides with the capacity for calm and reasonability. Women tried: we can't do it alone.

To make progress with a middle ground would require two sides capable of equal care for the other groups' needs, feelings and best interests, and willing to support those to be achieved. Again, #fail. We've tried. If you can find any activist or rep of the political lobby driving this with the faintest interest or care in the needs of the female side of the equation please do share, because I can't and I've been at this now for years.

Middle ground - well that was the GRA. A very small number, gatekept, fully transitioned or in the process of, in women's spaces. Women not consulted, asked, and no attempts made to consider or track impact incidentally. That middle ground has been abused to the nth degree. Middle ground now in effect means taking still more of women's rights to give to men.

It's lovely that you personally find mixed sex toilets accessible and satisfactory, that's great. But my concern is for the women who can't access these. Excluding women so men can have more freedom of choice isn't an answer that works for everyone and I'm not ok with that inequality that turns out to be sex based. No one incidentally is looking at suicide rates for women, particularly the vulnerable groups, or how the number of things like domestic violence deaths have been affected by some women in life threatening relationships not being willing to accept help from a refuge or women's services because those spaces are now 'inclusive' of men and so exclusionary of women with specific needs. Those women's spaces no longer do the job of being accessible and inclusive of all women.

inininsomnia · Today 11:55

I don't support GC attempts to impose their will on others.

You have it arsy-versy, it's the trans side who are imposing, the GC side are just resisting those impositions.

As for trans suicide "statistics," I sympathise that you've lost someone to suicide. The figures bandied about, however, are a complete work of fiction, like the alleged huge number of assaults and murders.

They're just not happening, transw in the UK are far and away the demographic least in danger of violence.

What's your view on men wanting men's bathrooms to be single sex?

You've changed your tune. First of all you wouldn't miss GC Women, then you basically said you couldn't give a shit if anyone self excused from their own single sex spaces and now it's all calm debate and middle ground. I'm not buying it. Just accept that you support an ideology that is detrimental to the female sex and beneficial to the make sex.

My workplace, for example, has new shared sex toilets that are much safer for everyone and easier to supervise than the old single sex spaces.

I'm curious about this.

(a) How are they safer?
(b) How are they "easier to supervise"? What does "supervise" mean here? Why do your toilets need "supervising"?

Second one has me baffled, but for the first I'm wondering if they've just fixed the uneven flooring or something...

Actually one thought the second one - is this a school? You're supervising children?

Oh no @DialSquare , actually @inininsomnia is an old school feminist who has never in all her born days put men first. Apparently old school feminism was the one where feminists fought to have gender stereotypes enshrined in society and believed men over women when it came to knowing what a woman was. I mean, I can see germaine Greer now, telling women to just submit to men as men knew best when it came to women and womens lives 😂😂

If you'd asked me even 3 years ago, I'd have said 'so what?' to the idea of shared loos. Now I would say no bloody way. I could live with it if men are clearly men and women are clearly women (places like Costa have unisex loos and have had them for ages), but not when men are claiming to be women. I dare say I'll be deleted for saying this.

We're no longer talking about old school transsexuals who respected women's spaces and boundaries. The delightful reality now is that we're talking about any cock-haver who decides to say that he's a woman. The fact that so many change nothing about themselves rather than their ID shows the utter contempt they have for women and their needs.

Single-sex toilets never - or rarely - needed supervising. Mixed-sexed toilets cannot be used by some women including at least three where I work due to their religion/culture.

Men identifying into women's prisons (your example) is PURELY a trans issue.

"I can't accept that a whole sector of society, known for high rates or poor mental health and suicide, should be dismissed as not fit to live in they way they find peace" is the usual hyperbolic BS. No-one is trying to stop trans people living how they want unless it impinges directly on women's existing rights.

"I believe in gender equality and and cooperation rather than women's rights above all other." The only co-operation apparently required is the total capitulation by women of their sex-based rights so that they no longer are "women's rights". There is no co-operation whatsoever on the other side and stop pretending that it's a small number of loudmouths: women can't actually meet and talk about their issues at an advertised meeting any more - even the police won't facilitate it.

Happily, there isn't a chance that you lot are the majority in society, but it's fucking hilarious that you think you're the ones keeping the rest of us in check with your 'societal rules' and whatever you conceive a sense of decency to be.

You are, a noisy minority. That it is. Now the curtain is pulled back it's very obvious.

GC aka common sense, is the majority view. That's why, as the majority have now picked up on this insanity, things are rolling back. Nicola did drive the final nail in the coffin for this one it's true. She must be a GC herself, the good she has finally done the GC movement in exposing the trans ideology for what it really is. Or alternatively she is a very stupid person who didn't think of the consequences when the mainstream saw what was going on. Much like many people who follow the ideology. They're not good at thinking things through to the final logical conclusion. 🤷‍♀️