NZ women's refuge CEO says KJK "inflamed people with her rhetoric"

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The Platform NZ has been doing excellent coverage all week on KJK's trip to NZ and the violence of so-called activists meted out against women.

This interview is with Ang Jury, CEO of NZ "women's" refuge. They have 40 refuges across NZ each with 6-15 staff. C1000 referrals p/w. They are 75% gov funded.

Angry says at 7 mins 30 thebjost asks about "transwomen" in refuges. Ang says yes, "transgender women" are part of the vulnerable population ie women do are welcome. Apparently there have been "no issues".

At 13 mins he says "Auckland was VAW". Ang concedes it was "ugly" but "she [Ang never says KJK's name] had inflamed people with her rhetoric" and "there's a whole lot now blame that can be attached", both sides etc.

Of all the people who should be standing up for women. Ffs.

Oh dear.... are we dismissing violence against women again?

Really? You cannot hide it. Just like throwing cream pies. Just like spraying with water.

Intimidating women with the intent to silence them is an act of violence.

I am waiting also for the acts of the women that were violent that prompted the "as mentioned before there were incidents from both sides".

Because until this is detailed and evidenced, I call bullshit on this 'both sides fallacy'.

Even the magic of Merlin can’t make the transactivists look like they are on The Right Side of History now that they’ve smashed an fractured an elder lesbians skull.

I reckon, once you see that pie, you cannot miss that pie.

"They"? I understand the perp for this was one person. So have him charged and sentenced to prison?

As I said, the thousands of LGBT supporters present are not responsible for his actions. Only he is.

Be careful with that line of reasoning, because it risks dismantling the singular great lie that forms the basis for almost all GC rhetoric.

The great lie is this: all gender diverse people are to be judged by the behaviour of any single disturbed individual.

I’m old enough to lived through times in which the same tired old lie was used to attack gay men and lesbians. I remember when the misdeeds committed by a minority were used to smear the entire community. It was an evil, pernicious, and poisonous lie back then - and it is quite frankly disgusting to see it resurrected and reapplied.

The thousands who turned up to protest legally and non-violently aren't responsible for the 2 or 3 individuals who were violent.

It wasn't just 2 or 3 individuals pushing, clawing, shoving and throwing anyone in their way to the ground to get at KJK as she was being taken away by the security and stewards though, was it?

They looked like a horde of zombies, like a scene out of The Walking Dead. What do you think that group of people all fighting to get at ONE woman would have done if they'd succeeded in breaking through her security? Peacefully waved banners at her?

Both sides is such a weak argument it’s the only thing left for some posters it seems

They’re too keen to dismiss the violence against women

If you enjoy yourself by joining a large mob who are jumping up and down screaming and carrying placards threatening rape and death, mobbing women and helping the crowd around you whip themselves up into a frenzy then yes you are contributing when someone does what everyone's shouting for and oh, you know, breaks a pensioner's skull for the crime of wishing to listen to women talking about their rights.

When you post rape and death threats on line, yes, you are contributing. When you do anything to advocate or minimise violence to punish women for saying things you do not want to have to think about, yes you are contributing.

The squirming to try and avoid owning it is really quite funny.

"Of course I don't support battering women to death but...."
"It was only 2 or 3 mad nuts in a crowd of peaceful lovelies there to throw flowers..."

No. It was a mob of people in a state of violent enjoyment of terrorising women and with the intent to do harm.

Land, Merlin is a not a GC Feminist.

You two are on the same side. You are both TRAs trying to justify mob violence as a response to speech.

Funny that you can’t spot each other.

Yes, posters who try to minimise what has happened in any way, are not to be believed in their statements about 'I don't support battering women etc' because they have attached a but.

It is misogynistic. I do find it interesting that two posters who have dismissed the violence through minimising it or using disgusting narratives such as 'they wanted it' have leant support to their misogynistic takes on this.

Hey, readers, do you see it yet?

What I have not seen is Merlins evidence that 'women committed violent acts' as their post indicates.

Just saying it doesn't make it truth.

Just repeating 'both sides' doesn't make it truth.

"Funny that you can’t spot each other."

Just like people cannot a pie as an act of violence....

Bollocks.

We separate and categorise according to sex.

Males are the more violent sex.

There is no "both sides" here in terms of tactics.

There are lesbians wishing to meet in groups.

There are women wishing to congregate to share their negative experiences.

There are groups of female academics wishing to meet to discuss the current evidence on safeguarding, medicalisation, safe spaces issues.

These women wish to meet...to talk.

These women do not attempt to close the debate down by meeting to step on the rights of others to meet.

Then there are the groups who wish to stop other women meeting and talking, violently if necessary, first in words and curses, then by actions, assaults.

And will take any steps, and apply any tactics, to stop women meeting and talking.

In no way can these two groups be compared in any way.

There is no "both sides".

It’s a terrible tactic and depressing plus maddening to see

Both sides. Both sides are not responsible if a man beats a woman anywhere else.

Why are TRAs posting this stuff for this?

Nobody accused anyone of blaming all men for the acts of a few men before when it came to women’s safety and entitlement to single sex spaces, so I’m not sure why they are now.

I think they either think it will upset women because they may be misogynists, or they are simply regurgitating the shit the find on the depths of the internet where people who lack the ability to think critically have decided it is a very clever tactic or they genuinely cannot see their own polarised, and uninformed prejudices feeding into a really poor interpretation of an event.

I doubt any clear thinker would think it was a winning argument, and it doesn't matter how many times they try to denounce their actual dismissal of violence against women.

Hang on… nah actually they did! NAMALT.

So I’m confused. It’s not the gener ideologists fault that a “few” violent protestors turned up uninvited , but it is KJK fault that the “Nazis” turned up uninvited. Can you explain that @MerlinsLostMarbles ?

im putting Nazis in quotes as I am very very sceptical about them being Nazis.
antifa were at that protest. Surely if they had been real Nazis, antifa would have attacked and protested their meeting instead of attacking some peaceful women wouldn’t they?

the police seemed very blasé about not allowing antifa and these “Nazis” to engage, when surely antifa would have been attacking them…..
it seems very er…. Convenient that these Nazis just happen to show up on the same day and in the sane place as the LWS event.

If they'd been 'real' Nazis they would have time travelled from the 1940s and would not be remotely interested in women's rights. They were a bunch of cos playing nutjobs who quite like the feelz and the image and supporting racism and homophobia and anarchy, and dressing up. There's a lot of it about.

Yup. @nilsmousehammer i bet under their uniforms those “Nazis” were wearing stripy knee high socks…. That’s my take on it. Still confused as to why antifa didn’t berate or attack them though.. maybe they were known to each other….

largely Antifa are another group who like the feelz, the costume and the image with little real grasp of the politics or reality beyond the cosplay.

this is an excellent example of how "equality in NZ" works.

Women are free to be absuisve to men therefore everyone is equal - no worries.