NZ women's refuge CEO says KJK "inflamed people with her rhetoric"

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The Platform NZ has been doing excellent coverage all week on KJK's trip to NZ and the violence of so-called activists meted out against women.

This interview is with Ang Jury, CEO of NZ "women's" refuge. They have 40 refuges across NZ each with 6-15 staff. C1000 referrals p/w. They are 75% gov funded.

Angry says at 7 mins 30 thebjost asks about "transwomen" in refuges. Ang says yes, "transgender women" are part of the vulnerable population ie women do are welcome. Apparently there have been "no issues".

At 13 mins he says "Auckland was VAW". Ang concedes it was "ugly" but "she [Ang never says KJK's name] had inflamed people with her rhetoric" and "there's a whole lot now blame that can be attached", both sides etc.

Of all the people who should be standing up for women. Ffs.

I'm interested to know what words women should avoid saying to ensure they don't inflame men to violence. And how we can tell a woman got what she wanted when she's been assaulted.

Interesting what peaks you. For me, I'm peaked by women desperate for a female only space in a refuge and thus character denying them that.

You peak however way you wish.

Good question Arabella.

I think that a script to follow would be advisable now. How to speak as a woman so as to not be accused of the 'both sides fallacy' or 'getting what she wanted'.

The misogyny is hard to miss. It really is.

Think someone needs to lay off the violent porn.

No, women don't enjoy or want to be assaulted. No woman would enjoy or want to be fearing she's about to be crushed or stamped to death by hordes of violent men and her kids are about to be made motherless. And no woman attends a women's speaking event in the hope that she'll be going home with a broken fucking skull, FFS.

Rhetoric: the art of effective or persuasive speaking or writing, especially the exploitation of figures of speech and other compositional techniques.

The words she says are
'Women don't have penises'
'Men don't have vaginas'
'No rapists in women's prisons'
'No sterilisation of kids'.

Too effective or persuasive for you Ang? How is this exploitation of a figure of speech?

Muppet.

Apologies for my comment at the end.

I suspect that there will always be posters who simply cannot see the misogyny in their posts that give them away.

They will continue to twist and deflect, but readers can see it. And they can judge for themselves.

They can see the inconsistencies. It cannot remain hidden.

Misogyny is pretty widespread. Anyone thinking they're immune from it is mistaken.
And that includes women.
Stones and glass houses etc.

So, she was asking for it. Says women's refuge.

Right.

Misogyny is now so rampant, not even the most fevered TRA years ago could have dared hope for this.

Men impersonating women and assaulting women allowed to get on with it.

Actual PMs of countries and those hoping to be PMs unable to define women.

Heads of refuges for women saying, well, she had it coming.

Hmm, I don't believe said refuges say women have it coming because of the shortness of their skirts.

If the CEO's of NZ women's refugees are saying there are "no issues" with providing support to transwomen, then is it necessary for KJK to visit and tell them there are issues?

I'm sure they know their own country better than KJK does?

She doesn’t speak for all the women of NZ. She was invited by some of them.

And you still don't quite grasp the concept of these rallies, do you?

Kellie Jay acts only as a facilitator. It would have been New Zealand women standing there and talking, Kellie Jay opens it and closes it. But it is women, other women, talking.

If you cannot understand the concept, that is fine. But please stop spreading the misinformation that 'Kellie Jay Keen went to New Zealand to tell them there are issues'. Because you are simply wrong.

And I'm sure a lot of women in Australia and NZ didn't invite her, judging by the "welcome" she received from large numbers of local women and men.

Even though KJK cancelled her visit to Wellington NZ, large numbers of LGBT supporters still turned up on the day she was due to visit to show their support for LGBT people and rights.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/486738/in-photos-transgender-rights-demonstrations-bring-hundreds-to-central-christchurch-and-wellington

And some did.

Those women get voices too.

And they managed not to batter anyone or break anyone's skull, so they're looking to me much more the civilised group worth listening to.

There is no justification for behaving like violent thugs. None. Not ever. This is shameful behaviour there is no excusing.

"There is no justification for behaving like violent thugs. None. Not ever. This is shameful behaviour there is no excusing"

I agree, but I also think it's unreasonable to judge a group of thousands by the actions of a small number of individuals (as mentioned before there were incidents from both sides).

I'd be more impressed if I heard the voice of those thousands denouncing the violence and separating themselves from the thugs.

You know, like they expect women to do before jumping up and down shouting ner ner ner ner, you hang out with Nazis cos you didn't say you hated them, so you smell.

And other highly developed arguments such as that.

But they haven't.

<Muses whether 'a bigger boy did it and ran away' is missing from the Narcissist's prayer since it's being used now to justify violently fracturing women's skulls>

IMO The thousands who turned up to protest legally and non-violently aren't responsible for the 2 or 3 individuals who were violent.

Oh for goodness sake, a screaming, ravening lynch mob was not '2 or 3 individuals'.

The behaviour was abhorrent. From thousands. In NZ and weekend before last at Hyde Park. In the name of this politics. Support it or don't support it, I don't care, but if you're going to support it then have the guts to face and own what you are supporting. Because this is real and actual appalling violent behaviour as possibly implied political smelliness if you squint a bit and pretend. A woman could easily have died at the hands of that mob.

Sorry? I must have missed something.

What women who were there to speak were responsible for what incidents?

Please be clear because I have read a few of these threads but I seem to have missed the women who assaulted protestors.

Every person in the large groups were responsible for the intimidation that was being yelled at women trying to speak. They are responsible for their contributing actions of attempting to silence women speaking.

If they didn't support the attempt to silence women at these events, they should have left as soon as they realised what the intention was.

I have been at peaceful protests, those protestors were not 'peacefully' protesting. They were intent on silencing women's voices. And you are here supporting that too it seems from your posts.

Protestors are allowed to make noise and protests with a large number of people can be noisy, yes. This is not the same as "being violent".

An Australian media article has also drawn attention to the image shared by JK Rowling and debunked it. The silver object at her neck is confirmed to be a phone and the hand on her neck is confirmed to belong to one of her security.

I'm still waiting to hear any British media debunk the image.

https://www.aap.com.au/factcheck/no-knife-was-not-held-to-posie-parkers-throat-during-nz-protest/

Fractured foot.
Fractured skull
Fractured hand
Police stating that at the point they finally got off their arses and helped pull KJK out of the crowd that had they got her on the floor they would have killed her.
Lesbian aged 72 protected by Christian Fundamentalist men in the crowd from a mob claiming to be on the side of LGBT

It's all on film.

A group of people surrounded Posie and her security, tried to drag her down and prevent her from safely leaving. She was assaulted before this, by someone applauded by media and known to protestors. I watched the live feed. I know what I saw. A group of people did this, not one or two. A group pulled down barriers and descended on women gathered to speak. It is disgusting to pretend this didn’t happen.