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Suing the sorority that accepted a transgender woman

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ZeldaFighter · 30/03/2023 08:20

7 past and present sorority members are suing a University of Wyoming sorority for admitting a transgender woman.

I've started to think this is the only way forward - lawsuits attract sunlight, publicity and often cost people money!

https://cowboystatedaily.com/2023/03/28/women-sue-university-of-wyoming-sorority-for-accepting-transgender-member/

Several things jumped out - unfair voting procedures, pressure to comply, letting a biological man into a physical and metaphysical space for women, the biological man being intact and attracted to women...same old, same old!

Women Sue University Of Wyoming Sorority For Accepting Transgender Member | Cowboy State Daily

Seven women are suing the Kappa Kappa Gamma sorority for admitting a transgender woman into its sorority. The lawsuit says the individual has a profile on Tinder to meet women and "had an erection visible through his leggings" at the sorority house.

https://cowboystatedaily.com/2023/03/28/women-sue-university-of-wyoming-sorority-for-accepting-transgender-member

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SpinCityBlues · 30/03/2023 11:41

ArabellaScott · 30/03/2023 09:20

I am sure there is room for a separate 'sorority'. They could call it - I dunno - Alpha Gamma Pi or something.

Grin

The Mu Rho Alpha house could be next door.

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ZeldaFighter · 30/03/2023 11:57

BellaAmorosa · 30/03/2023 10:24

Yes, absolutely. But what I really mean is how can they cope with the cognitive dissonance? How can they ignore or be so insouciant about the consequences? How can they be so naive about some men's motivations?

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Consequences - it's always in the media about toilets. And seriously, I've never seen anyone's bits in the toilets and I don't particularly feel unsafe around men so I don't see any impact on me so I don't see any problem. I've just overlooked that not every woman thinks and feels like me and that you can't usually consent on someone's behalf.

And it's only when you dig deeper that you realise it's not toilets- it's hospital wards, prisons, mental health wards, sport and domestic violence refuges.

Naivety? Youth. Sadly they'll probably learn. Especially when they have to start thinking about protecting their kids from it.

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BernardBlacksMolluscs · 30/03/2023 11:58

God that whole article is enraging

“Smith” is 21 years old, is 6 feet, 2 inches tall and weighs 260 pounds, the document says, adding, “No other member of Kappa Kappa Gamma has comparable size or strength.”

Langford is “sexually interested in women,” the lawsuit alleges, adding that “Smith” – Langford – has a profile on Tinder “through which he seeks to meet women.”

I’m pleased they’re suing the president of the organisation. What kind of woman would serve teenage girls up to this fucking chancer?

i hope they win

ThatLibraryMiss · 30/03/2023 12:08

Boiledbeetle · 30/03/2023 10:34

Don't see the problem women

yes he's a man.
yes he's not bothered about showing he's sexually attracted to the women
yes his Intelligence appears to be lower than the standard required
Yes the actual women are uncomfortable.
Yes the actual women are pressured into voting for him

BUT

He feels like a woman so there's no problem here.

And he's in the MoSt ViCtImIsEd GrOuP, so women should #bekind. Not being kind is unwomanly.

MissPollysFitDolly · 30/03/2023 12:15

ArabellaScott · 30/03/2023 09:20

I am sure there is room for a separate 'sorority'. They could call it - I dunno - Alpha Gamma Pi or something.

A bit late but very amusing - thanks.

Righthandcider · 30/03/2023 12:21

BellaAmorosa · 30/03/2023 10:24

Yes, absolutely. But what I really mean is how can they cope with the cognitive dissonance? How can they ignore or be so insouciant about the consequences? How can they be so naive about some men's motivations?

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I think most of these women are still in a NAMALT state of mind too.

They don't see any reason to view trans-identified men with any more suspicion than they would view general men. They assume most people are safe / decent etc.

Meanwhile they accept the idea that the odd 'Karen White' type that comes up in the news is a) not really trans and b) being used in bad faith by GCs to create a false moral panic.

I also think we have to accept that while some of us are turned into snarling tigers when men start ordering us around and handing our rights over to their unfortunate trans counterparts, others are ready to comply.

Stockholm Syndrome en masse.

Righthandcider · 30/03/2023 12:27

(The cure for which is sunlight.)

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 30/03/2023 14:09

It’s wonderful how clear and straight to the point their statement is and so good to see the manipulation involved in making everyone ‘vote’ their way challenged.
It is absolutely clear this person’s presence in the sorority is inappropriate. Even if the rules were changed to make transwomen count as women for the purposes of admission, it seems like normally the members get a genuine choice about who they admit and this time they haven’t had.

Florissante · 30/03/2023 14:18

Chersfrozenface · 30/03/2023 09:59

This is actually even better than at first glance. The social class of the complainants is important.

Contrary to propaganda and widespread belief, USian society is extremely class-riddled, and fraternities and sororities are a vital element in this.

For instance Cornell University itself says, "while only 2 percent of America’s population is involved in fraternities, 80 percent of Fortune 500 executives, 76 percent of U.S. senators and congressmen, 85 percent of Supreme Court justices, and all but two presidents since 1825 have been fraternity men".

Sororities are less influential, but their members are overwhelmingly upper middle class. Obviously their families have the money and the social status to risk suits like this, but they are also influential in the political and cultural life of the country.

Correlation does not equal cause and effect.

BellaAmorosa · 30/03/2023 14:24

Yes, all good points, @ZeldaFighter and @Righthandcider
I appreciate you responding to my random musings.

Anactor · 30/03/2023 14:26

MassiveWordSalad · 30/03/2023 09:35

Furthermore, this guy had a grade point average of 1.7 and the required GPA for sorority applicants is 2.7. He has been shown blatant favouritism, even ignoring the fact he is a man - a biological woman with his GPA would have had their application thrown out Hmm

Add to this that voting was not anonymous and people were pressured into voting 'kindly' HmmHmm

Good on those women for standing up for themselves.

I’m sorry, but what?

In UK terms, that means this person was heading towards failing honours and getting an ordinary degree - not even doing well enough for a Third.

The sorority wanted applicants to be on course for a 2:2, nothing exceptional.

Rightsraptor · 30/03/2023 15:58

It is really toe-curling reading that article. HIs behaviour is just so revolting. So predatory male. I feel ill just reading it. Those poor women, having to put up with that, but I'm so glad they are taking action against it all.

More power to them.

TheBiologyStupid · 30/03/2023 16:14

ArabellaScott · 30/03/2023 09:20

I am sure there is room for a separate 'sorority'. They could call it - I dunno - Alpha Gamma Pi or something.

😂

Rowthe · 30/03/2023 16:22

Boiledbeetle · 30/03/2023 10:34

Don't see the problem women

yes he's a man.
yes he's not bothered about showing he's sexually attracted to the women
yes his Intelligence appears to be lower than the standard required
Yes the actual women are uncomfortable.
Yes the actual women are pressured into voting for him

BUT

He feels like a woman so there's no problem here.

😂

Yup I dont see any problems at all.

Helleofabore · 14/11/2023 19:28

Just adding this as an update. Two of Kappa Kappa Sorority alumni have been expelled for supporting the young women in taking this to court.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12737739/Two-University-Wyoming-sorority-kicked-transgender.html?ito=native_share_article-top

Two University of Wyoming sorority alumni have been callously removed as members after more than 50 years by the national organization after supporting a lawsuit to oust the first transgender member.

Kappa Kappa Gamma sisters at University of Wyoming alleged earlier this year that the 6ft2, 260lb trans member would 'peep at (the other girls) while visibly aroused'.

Patsy Levang and Cheryl Tuck-Smith, who had been with Kappa Kappa Gamma for more than 50 years, were expelled after they allegedly fundraised for the lawsuit…

Two University of Wyoming sorority alumni are kicked out

Patsy Levang and Cheryl Tuck-Smith were expelled after they allegedly fundraised for the lawsuit contesting the admission of a transgender woman.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12737739/Two-University-Wyoming-sorority-kicked-transgender.html?ito=native_share_article-top

ArabellaScott · 14/11/2023 19:31

Fucking outrageous. It's so blatant. I'm starting the think the blatant outrageousness of it is part of the point. It's a display of power.

PriOn1 · 14/11/2023 19:33

I hope that more of the women negatively affected will start to object.

What power these bloody men have, and how pathetic are the women who would choose a disturbed man over women’s rights.

So sick of this.

YireosDodeAver · 14/11/2023 19:34

PotteringPondering · 30/03/2023 09:41

This sounds like a positive move. But no idea what a sorority is, or what those Greek letters mean. Is it basically a hall of residence at an American university?

A sorority is a female version of a fraternity.
It's part hall-of-residence, part lifelong club created for the purpose of nepotism/mentoring fron generation to generation.

Ponderingwindow · 14/11/2023 19:41

A traditional sorority is a social and residential club at the university level. Then once people graduate, they remain members for life. Theoretically the larger alumni network helps people get jobs and make other connections.

AvacadoFieldsForever · 14/11/2023 20:12

who had been with Kappa Kappa Gamma for more than 50 years, were expelled after they allegedly fundraised for the lawsuit…
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allegedly! They haven’t even confirmed it?

Presumably they are also asked to make large regular donations to the university?

(For the last 50 years. And these women completed their courses back in the 60s and 70s when women were underpaid, underrepresented, no mat leave, no childcare)

Maybe women will reconsider putting funding into this school going forward.

Pudmyboy · 14/11/2023 22:40

My dismissal simply spurs me on to educate others about the dangers of DEI which in reality does not support diversity, equity and inclusion,' Tuck-Smith said.
Very true!

CorruptedCauldron · 14/11/2023 23:08

Diversity, inclusion and equity, where women’s rights go to D.I.E.

ArabellaScott · 14/11/2023 23:10

CorruptedCauldron · 14/11/2023 23:08

Diversity, inclusion and equity, where women’s rights go to D.I.E.

Aint that the truth.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/11/2023 00:19

Fucking outrageous. It's so blatant. I'm starting the think the blatant outrageousness of it is part of the point. It's a display of power.

This has long been my view. The more outrageous the gaslighting, the reversal or the duping, the bigger the thrill. It's what I see as the signature of most of the active members (rather than the useful idiots) of this movement.

ArabellaScott · 15/11/2023 11:00

Yes, there are dupers and narcissists who will get off on that, absolutely. What I actually had in mind was the governments and people in power using these issues as a tool for control.

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