Ana Kasparian is a bit like Owen Jones. Except she just dared to assert boundaries....guess what happened next

Oh dear I guess another tra handmaiden is reaching the top of Mt kilomanjaro (sp) and being helped over the top by her former friends

I imagine it'll be possible she'll do a public retraction but I'd also say that the reaction has given her a lot to think about.

Be interesting if she doesn't cave. She sniffed the wind perhaps and is racing away from danger , like a Thompson's Gazelle.

She's as unpleasant as LOJ.

It's been several hours now since I first saw her tweet, how long do we think it will be before she recants?

KJK retweeted her and said she thought she would have her mountain top experience within weeks. Let's see.

Ooh, is someone running a book?

Soz, being flippant here

I used to watch TYT (The Young Turks) a lot, particularly in the run up to the 2016 US election and its aftermath.

I was always more conservative (small c) than its main fanbase but it was interesting to see their take on things and I agreed with them about Trump.

Eventually the rampant 'progressivism' and TRA talking points, along with their need to promote their sponsors every 5 seconds got too much and I stopped watching. They have had Laurie Penny on occasionally as a guest host, which gives you a flavour of their political leanings.

It's really fascinating to see Ana Tweet about this. It looks like she also got lambasted for talking to Ben Shapiro and noting that some progressive policies in California aren't working. Perhaps she's starting to question some of her views.

My suspicion is that she will backtrack (those TYT sponsors and oh-so progressive members who donate to them if nothing else) but I really, really hope she doesn't.

Cenk Uyger's response on Twitter also interesting:

I agree with her point that it's hardly "inclusive" if a lot of women hate it.

You have the option of saying, "women, trans-men, some non-binary", which may be slightly misleading because all you are really talking about is women.

Or you could just say, "biological females". I mean, trans people don't deny that "sex is real" right? So what is wrong with saying, "biological females" or just "females"?

Or we could credit that trans men are probably smart enough to understand that women's reproductive healthcare does apply to them also.

What's annoying to me is that a small group of people think they can change the language without consent from the wider public.

I haven't heard of her before but that's a very clear statement.
She will have known it was provocative to say so let's see if she stays firm

Lots of replies saying that this is only happening in medical textbooks and similar. Even if that were true, I still feel dehumanised by these ugly terms. The medical establishment hasn’t been known for being female-friendly, so it’s hardly reassuring to think they’re now describing us with these terms - whether we like it or not. One person primly follows this up by saying that in a medical context, terms need to be biologically accurate. Well...

AK has been hoist by her own petard.

I would agree with that. She was certainly on board with the whole 'JKR is a transphobe' narrative, right from the very beginning. I was about ready to give up on TYT anyway, but the eye-rolling about JKR helped cement the decision.

I find it fascinating that the sentiment of her tweet is exactly the same as JKR's original 'wimpund?' tweet.

One to watch, I think. She will come under a huge amount of pressure to backtrack, educate herself and 'do better' in future.

@PorcelinaV Or you could just say, "biological females". I mean, trans people don't deny that "sex is real" right? So what is wrong with saying, "biological females" or just "females"?

Or we could credit that trans men are probably smart enough to understand that women's reproductive healthcare does apply to them also.

The problem is that an awful lot of people talk about "changing sex", especially in North America. And an amazingly large number of people, especially young people - and almost all trans men are young - actually believe that if you have the surgeries and take the hormones you do physically change sex.

I have a smidgeon of sympathy for healthcare workers in this case. Some of them surely know it's BS, but feel they have to use this language in order to persuade the ignorant, the misguided and the delusional to take up appropriate health care.

Until everyone in society accepts once more that sex is binary and immutable, and declares that unequivocally, we'll continue to get this kind of language.

They'll go for the show's sponsors. If anything, that'll make her backtrack. I hope she doesn't.

Yes, I agree.

Enjoying Zuby's response to her tweet.

Agree that the TRAs will target the sponsors.

Wasn't Chapo Trap House booted from YouTube because one presenter wasn't sufficiently TRA?

They were pretty left - for the USA - and funny at times. Its a minefield out there.

I wonder if, at the periphery of her understanding that she's realising this has nothing to do with including transmen in anything. Nothing at all.

Transmen are women. And transmen are a tiny subset of women, at that. In what world have a tiny cohort of women been able to influence language across the board like this? In healthcare, female charities, government policies, social media, the lot?

Certainly not a patriarchal world. No-one listens to women or cares what they want. And certainly not the in blatant, misogynistic world of trans ideology. There are only three famous transmen (and one of those is only famous for giving birth).

No. This is not driven by women who identify as men.

This is driven by men identifying as women. They are trying, at every turn, to decouple the word woman from female biology, in order that they can claim the word woman for themselves. They cannot have it, under any circumstances, being reliant on female biology or anatomy. Because they don't possess any.

Hence the women being reduced to individual functions but not men or transwoman. No-one calls men penis havers or ejaculators, however they identify. Males are divided into men and 'women'.

Who can forget Munroe Bergdorf saying women were only allowed to march in the women's march - their own march - as long as they didn't centre their anatomy, by wearing pussy hats.

Even then, the men were desperately trying to separate the concept of woman from her own biology.

Enjoying Zuby's response to her tweet.

Someone has responded to him by calling him, "a wack ass, white supremacist rapper".

TRA's are just overflowing with the milk of human kindness and possess an admirable talent for expressing themselves articulately and respectfully.

I don't understand the assumption that trans men are ignorant of their own anatomy and thus require distorted messaging about health needs. I read many different trans forums. The FtM forums are populated with pretty well educated, medically informed users. They are hyper-fixated on their anatomy and understand it better than many. After all their main goals include yeeting that very anatomy ASAP.

Describing women by body part is nothing to do with inclusion for trans men. It's to do with the destruction of the concept of female, reducing it brick by brick until it no longer excludes male.

I posted about this on the general thread yesterday but this is not a new position for AK - she said similar once before on a TYT live broadcast and I got really excited and wanted to post it here once it went up as a permanent video but the whole discussion thing was memory holed within a day.
I gave up on TYT after that.

So yes, she must have gone into this tweet with her eyes wide open and it must’ve been pre agreed with Cenk because this is not their first rodeo.

The previous occasion was summer 2019 and IIRC it was a four person panel discussion about that bizarre DSA conference where clapping was banned and ‘non gendered language’ was requested from the floor.

from my hazy memory Anna said she didn’t want to be referred to with non gendered language, that being a woman had influenced her personal and political life in lots of ways and non-gendered language couldn’t describe that experience.

There might even have been a transitioned male person on the panel? Who also said they didn’t want non-gendered language to become standard?

Anyway, it was all very reasonable and the fact it got memory holed so rapidly made me absolutely despondent in regards to women’s rights and the American left, so I stopped watching not long after (possibly after a TYT segment criticising Tulsi Gabbard and her attempt at an across the aisle bill re: Women’s sports?)

Funny that Anna went on to criticise JK for saying similar (probably without actually reading JK’s own words) and when she finally got brave enough to make a public stand she immediately gained the nickname ‘AK Rowling’.

Overall though, I still think this is a good thing - first high profile left wing American women I’ve seen deliberately going against her own audience. If Anna Kasparian is now a ‘Right Wing Christian conservative Terf’ then it’s surely only a matter of weeks before AOC is one too?

TYT have quite a few trans contributors so I wonder if any will quit over this?

I really loved her rant about religion. It's totally how I feel and the USA could use a lot more of this attitude.

It’ll certainly be interesting if she ends up taking a similar position on The New Religion of Genderism!
It’s pretty much the same thing, they are both belief systems with ardent followers who try to enforce their special rules onto non-believers by getting them written into law. In both cases women are the ones who are most negatively affected.