Julia Hartley-Brewer lobs gender kryptonite at Labour justice minister

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Shadow Justice Minister Ellie Reeves went on to Talk TV to promote Keir Starmer's latest policies on violence against women and girls. Julia naturally brings up the gender issue, rapists in women's prisons - how can you claim to protect women and girls when you can't define what those words mean?

As Julia says, “You cannot come on my show and talk about how Labour want to tackle violence against women and then refer to a double rapist as 'she'!”

No-one who watches the clip could be impressed by the Labour minister's response, umming, aahing, changing the subject, generally wibbling. That's what I mean by gender kryptonite - These politicians are so sure of their views that TWAW and yet as soon as sunlight is shone, they can't defend their positions at all (as Sturgeon and Varadkar found out recently) and crumple into gibbering, incoherent heaps.

https://twitter.com/TalkTV/status/1638829266291793921

"Take the heat out" = "Calm down dear."
I've only ever heard it said as a deflection by those seeking to discredit, dismiss and disenfranchise women.

I did pull out the email I sent my MP in 2018 about self-ID though - he wrote back to me at the time basically straight out of the Maria Miller/Penny Mordaunt school of "be kind". I have forwarded it to him again, asking whether in light of the last 5 years his views had changed at all
I love this idea and am feeling positively gleeful at the prospect of doing the same if the labour MP I exchanged emails with stands again. (She lost her seat at the last election, but I hear she's intending to try again. Very marginal constituency.)

I suggest a drinking game;' every time a politician ignores the issue and ends the interview with a determined 'X are the only party that has a plan to tackle Y' you have to have a drink.
See you under the table.

Ellie Reeves has given me a really bad case of secondhand embarrassment.

Would you be amenable to a rules change to include having a drink every time a Labour politician says we need “less heat and more light” in discussions about women’s rights or do you think the chances of alcohol poisoning would then become too likely?

The term "less heat" reminds me of the term "hysterical". It says to women stop showing your anger and be more rational. The problem is that the majority of the women articulating against genderism are entirely rational and the debate actually is a lot less heated than it might be (one could argue than it should be). The "heat" in my opinion in entirely justified on women's behalf but it is also women who are bringing any "light"there is. It is such a disingenuous statement.

Less heat -

Usually means women you can’t say no we don’t like that, but we don’t mind TRAs calling to decapitate, rape women, call them dinosaurs and turds. That’s all great

God that was cringe.

I do wonder how these people feel once they have finished an interview like that (JHB is a particularly good journalist though and they are few and far between) - will she walk away thinking "oh it's just JHB and her alt-right audience. I really showed up her right wing audience for being the bigots they are"?

That is the problem with group politics of 'All Tories are Scum' etc. It makes it so easy to just write any opposition off. I know people who hate the Tories so much they have fallen out with family members about it - how fucking stupid. And the result of this extreme partisan dynamic is that people like this get away unchallenged by their 'loyal followers' - these followers will just hate anything someone says because they are from 'the other side'

Wonderful clip. What an idiot Ellie Reeves looked.

We need Labour women to stop playing the game and just say to people like Julia Hartley Brewer that she's right, of course she's right, but that there is pressure from the top to keep pretending. It would take just a couple of them to refuse to keep up this ridiculous facade and it would all be over.

It means stop asking those questions... too hard

the appropriate response when someone says "more light, less heat" should be something like

Excellent - we totally agree there should be more light. so we need properly funded rigorous research into the long term impacts, harms and benefits of interventions like social transitioning of teenagers, puberty blockers, medical and surgical interventions and rates of detransitioning. Proper research into the self-exclusion of vulnerable women from services that used to be single sex and now aren't, and the harm that is doing. more extensive research into the ongoing advantages of having a male body in female sport. more openness about the impact on female prisoners when there is a male prisoner incarcerated with them. when these questions are taboo to even ask, there isn't a lot of light being shed, and the more sunlight that can be shone, the better all round. And certainly there should be less heat. the emotive chanting of meaningless slogans like TWAW, using sabotage tactics to disrupt events where people are gathering wanting to talk about these issues, calling it hatred when people ask questions, bullying people into silence, resolves nothing.

Ellie Reeves does not look capable of assembling an ikea cabinet let alone being a minister in a functioning one.

I mean, gender position aside, how can anyone think this level of ineptitude and stuttering in the face of quite basic questions suggests ability to run a country?

Oooo, what stickers? And where can we get them from?

Ballot spoiling means nothing. Please vote, the communists, SDP and Tories are all GC

Less heat reminds me of this cartoon. It’s not GC women putting the ‘heat’ in this debate.