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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Article with former governor of Cornton Vale saying trans prisoners often rediscover maleness after release?

18 replies

aweegc · 19/03/2023 22:47

I'm sure I read an article which reported the former governor of CV prison saying that she'd noticed a trend amongst released formerly trans woman prisoners, but for the life of me I can't find it. Have I made this up or has anyone else heard this too?

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ArabellaScott · 19/03/2023 22:52

There was a study.

insidetime.org/trans-prisoners-go-back-to-living-as-men-after-release/

It's Rhona Hotchkiss, if that helps!

ArabellaScott · 19/03/2023 22:57

academic.oup.com/bjc/article/62/4/1000/6370239

PermanentTemporary · 19/03/2023 23:19

God almighty @ArabellaScott. Thank you for posting that. Head in hands stuff.

aweegc · 20/03/2023 02:39

ArabellaScott · 19/03/2023 22:52

There was a study.

insidetime.org/trans-prisoners-go-back-to-living-as-men-after-release/

It's Rhona Hotchkiss, if that helps!

Yes! Thank you! And now I hear her name (in my head 😉) I realise I heard her say it on the Today show in a discussion related to the double rapist.

And thanks for the study and article!

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Avarua2 · 20/03/2023 03:07

Duh. Of course they do.

Cheekymaw · 20/03/2023 04:01

Wow ! Shocked I tell ya , shocked !

SalaDaeng · 20/03/2023 04:44

Gosh! Who would have thought it?

HagoftheNorth · 20/03/2023 05:57

Nobody saw that coming, hey?

Riapia · 20/03/2023 05:58

I’ve read somewhere about this.
Apparently these were never really trans.
They were “ at it “ and not to be confused with real TW.

BeethovenNinth · 20/03/2023 06:06

Funny, that.

CucumberCool · 20/03/2023 06:10

That's really interested to read - women who have lived it speaking out and some writing it and it being published. Would be even better to have a proper study. Surely with the time spent being 'watched' by (I think they are called) probation officers, it should be possible?

nilsmousehammer · 20/03/2023 07:21

Riapia · 20/03/2023 05:58

I’ve read somewhere about this.
Apparently these were never really trans.
They were “ at it “ and not to be confused with real TW.

Which kind of proves.

Our terribly clever, we know better than you, betters who decide on such things have absolutely no clue and can't tell the difference between a sincere transition and a helpful to personal agenda transition.

And the helpful to personal agenda male people got to use and abuse females and have a very nice time doing it.

PermanentTemporary · 20/03/2023 07:47

Reading that study... describing the 'prejudiced views' of 12/15 participants... and literally describing how the women who supported 'Rachel' spent time and emotional energy supporting with their transition and making them feel ok... only to find they'd reverted to male presentation on release. Feeling like they'd been used. Which they had, by Rachel but even more by the Prison Service.

Fuck's sake, where is the analysis? Feminist would be nice but frankly any kind of overarching view of what women are coerced into doing for men, to their own detriment?

FrancescaContini · 20/03/2023 08:51

Totally playing the system - obviously. System needs to wake up.

ArabellaScott · 20/03/2023 10:12

'My positionality as a cis-male, and—at the time—a member of SPS staff was brought into focus during a number of interviews. For example, Hannah wasn’t sure if she could say what she was saying and suggests an apprehension to share more gender-critical views. This will have had an impact on the extent to which other participants might have felt able to express particular views about transgender people in this study'

No shit, mate.

ArabellaScott · 20/03/2023 10:12

Sorry, that's a quote from the author of the study.

ArabellaScott · 20/03/2023 10:13

aweegc · 20/03/2023 02:39

Yes! Thank you! And now I hear her name (in my head 😉) I realise I heard her say it on the Today show in a discussion related to the double rapist.

And thanks for the study and article!

nae bother hen.

RealityFan · 21/03/2023 11:10

Reminds me of that time when a male applied to head up a women's rights unit in Corbyn's Labour and said he IDd as female at a specific time on a specific day...and he got the job!
This fellow subsequently revealed it was a gotcha to see how far Labour had sucked down the Kool Aid. And HE was then reprimanded, lol.
Nowt as strange as folk. And nowt as gullible as those setting the policies in leftist parties, and organisations high and low across the West.

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