Do you think porn is going to get even more violent and men’s demand for so called ’kinky’ sex even stronger when hopefully women are getting braver to stay single?

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While women started to get more educated, be more at the work force and having little bit more say in who and when or if they date, porn was pushed more and more to the mainstream and violent sex with that.

There has to be a correlation.

And now there has been quite a few articles and studies of women choosing to remain single (they don’t usually say, but I’m guessing some women at least are also opting out of having sex with men) and single and childfree women being happiest demographic.

Do you think that sexual behaviour, weather it’s porn / men using prostitutes / so called kinky community or ’sex positivity’ movement that is constantly eroding women’s boundaries, will get even more violent and degrading towards women?

There's always been really hard core, seriously nasty stuff out there.....maybe even more of it could become mainstream.

the more choice we have not to accept a shit man just to eke out a survival< the more men seem to hate us> but i blame the internet more>

Wouldn't it be nice to think they'd compete harder to win women's attention?

But yes, I doubt it.

I think the porn is a symptom of the cynical commodification of the human individual, human society and culture, and latterly the human consciousness via technology.

Good luck finding who’s to blame without tearing the whole system down.

I don't have the answer to that question, but I have noticed that while in the past there were sometimes articles about what women might enjoy in sex those are now pretty much non-existent, and women are assumed to enjoy whatever porn teaches men women enjoy. Anal, say, probably because men enjoy it, so there's pressure to sell it to women even though it has greater health risks for women and even though it doesn't really do that much to women, given the lack of prostates.

One of the messages from porn seems to be that all women like being debased and humiliated...

I think it might be connected to the destruction of all boundaries movement.
There is a video by a gay man called Davey Wavey that teaches gay men how to eat pussy. The subtext is you are allowed no personal boundaries.
Similarly lesbians were compared to racists by Nancy Kelly CEO of Stonewall at the time for refusing to have sex with males with penises pretending to be lesbians.
unherd.com/thepost/qc-compares-lesbians-refusing-sex-with-transwomen-to-apartheid/

It's all about the demolition of boundaries. That's why schooteachers with brightly coloured hair are so keen on indoctrinating kids. Drag queen storytime dropped the pretense of reading stories to kids and know just perform sexualised adult erotica in front of infants.
It's why a multiple rapist gets preferential treatment over the women victims.
Groomers and pedos have never had it so good. The word groomer was a bannable offense on Twitter before Musk came along.
Progressivisim is about us doing what we are told or the mob will come for us.

I think there's a misapprehension of what 'sex positivity' is here. It's not 'whooo, have lots of sex and be a freaky sex fiend and you're a prude if you won't do absolutely all the things'. Doubtless some men have tried to use it as such while pretending to be feminist or sex positive, but that doesn't make that what it is.

It's about not being ashamed of what you do want to do, and also having boundaries to say no to what you don't want to do because sex should be about your pleasure, something women have not been taught like men have. Similarly, the kink scene is all about consent - and it's not the same thing as heteronormative porn that features kink, which tends to be non-consensual and exploitative - a violent male fantasy, not a mutually agreed interaction that all partipants enjoy and can also decide where their limits are and if they want to stop at any time. Sex positivity is about wome saying no to what they don't want as much as it is about yes to what we do want.

But could men go more towards violent, humiliating porn as more women go their way without them? Sadly yes, but that lies with toxic masculinity, not the existence of kink or sex positivity.

This has been one the oddist phenomenons I’ve seen.

At the same time big talks about choice, boundaries (to extent that now everyone who disturbs your ’peace’ is toxic), consent…
But at the same time everything must go.
Or otherwise you are [add a insult/phobia/shamer].

Much of the demand for violent porn is from women.

fightthenewdrug.org/women-watch-more-violent-and-extreme-porn/

Definitely anal being pushed. Have seen articles selling it to women, with mention of inner clitoris/Gspot, glands around the urethra that ejaculate (female ejaculation) etc. All utter bloody tosh. No mention at all in such articles that anal sex is more damaging to women because the tissues in women are more delicate. (Found this pursuing an article saying a teacher had shown teenagers 'butt plugs' wtaf?)

I think the main cause of the explosion and ramping up of porn is the change to easily accessible, online content, in huge amounts. I think it's a real game-changer in the way porn affects the brain and how people use it. It was never possible for most men to access unlimited amounts at the touch of a button, constant new stimuli, for hours if they want. All in the total privacy of home. They are essentially creating a situation where they need to escalate and they are creating feedback loops attached to these unreal sexual stimuli.

Is that why women are staying single? Maybe partly, but I also think it is in part due to a lack of men willing to commit, and other changes in society too. Choosing not to have children seems to be as much about the expense and lack of time, many women would actually like to, or would like to have more, but can't afford it or already feel they are stretched too thin.

Will porn continue to escalate? Maybe. From what I have read there is concern even in the porn industry that there is not much further they can go to ramp things up. So I am not sure what will happen. People do seem to be somewhat more aware now that it can be damaging in an immediate sense.

I agree @DemiColon that the availability of porn has just gone up exponentially, and also starting much earlier having more profound effects on developing brains sadly. This site has some interesting resources on it: www.culturereframed.org/

I think a big problem is early access to porn. I would imagine how a person first views porn, and the type of content they see might impact them immensely, especially because brains are still developing. I have always believed that porn is dramatically changing how we are aroused and real physical responses (pleasure and pain).
I find that thought quite terrifying.
I don't think anyone truly grasps the impact porn is having on who we are as individuals and society as a whole.

I saw a docu about the Roman Empire years ago. The reputation of an Emporer or governor depended in part on the games that he would put on. The greater the spectacle, the better.

As the people became bored with a certain level of violence, even more violent events had to be introduced to keep the crowds amazed and satisfied.

I've started to wonder if a similar thing isn't happening with internet porn.

I got fed up of accommodating men's desires (weirdly, they seemed only to be interested in accommodating female desire that they could understand, ie had seen in porn). Even casual sex becomes boring because there's no real connection, you're just two people performing sexual desire according to porn for the other.

It's like porn has trained men's brains, and scooped out all questioning, sensitivity and exploration. It's been replaced by a laundry list of what they want to try. You either go along with it, or you're 'vanilla' and they're off. There is no middle ground.

I don't know that porn will get any more of anything (It's the incel argument, isn't it - you won't have sex with me so therefore I NEED porn), but I'd definitely be advising young women that financial independence is a glorious thing, as are hard boundaries.

It's also not just men porn is affecting.

There's an excellent charity called Fight the new drug, which has some great resources. Especially useful for parents with teens.

A radical feminist whose name I can't remember said, 'Porn is men's campaign for sexual equality'.

If that's correct, as men continue to drop out of education, employment and family life, pornography will become yet more depraved and degrading.

I have a lot of radical feminist ideals and acknowledge that men drive porn, but I can't help but see how young men are damaged by it. I am also old enough to have dated men whose only access to porn were hidden Playboys and an occasional stolen video shared on a VHS tape. Now it's porn 24-7 and I suspect the majority of young people aren't having the same kind of sex we older folks have. DH and I talked about this because we found some porn sent to our DD from boys in her school. We'd never seen that kind of violent sex before and we were both deeply disturbed. DH has seen more porn than I have (it's not our thing) so I assumed he'd be less shocked but apparently whatever he's viewed in his lifetime was "vanilla".

"Does no one make love anymore?" was our takeaway after some long discussions about today's porn.

The fringe has taken centre stage.

@Delphinium20 I think it absolutely is damaging men! (and boys). I think the impact on women/girls is concerning but there is at least a sort of history of Sometimes tortuous) discussion stemming from the feminist "porn wars" of old. Of course, on the whole sex "positivity" won and some of the stuff feminists were protesting looks almost quaint compared to now. But for men I think the discussion mostly centred around "oh look boobs" (maybe that's patronising, but there really doesn't seem to have been an equivalent level of discussion). At most there was an acknowledgement that feminists were eating themselves, or a perception that radical feminists hate men and male sexuality etc etc.

Now I think there is some thinking about the negative impacts on them. But its so hard to have any conversation because the well has been poisoned in advance by the line of "radical feminists hate men, if a woman criticises porn she is a radical feminist, therefore she hates men therefore she can be disregarded". At the same time and from the same channels there is a "feminists/women need to take responsibility for encouraging porn use through their promotion of sex positivity". So an extremely boring message is fighting against the dopamine hit of instant gratification AND of feeling very cross against another hit.

And this isn't all men - but its the message being heavily pushed online, especially Tiktok etc. Which is great for people that make money from porn and China so they won't stop.

I've been thinking about this for a while. Decline and fall, ever increasing depravity, decadence and decay.
The whole of gender ideology puts me in mind of that scene of Nero (or was it Caligula?) dancing.

@picklemewalnuts Camille Paglia says that gender bending is a feature or pretty much every collapsing civilization.

I actually think porn has got so minging that there will be huge demand for ‘sweet’ porn showing the kind of sex people actually enjoy. A lot of men read romance novels aimed at women, because they aren’t being catered to as a market…

Yes, but arguing the other side has anyone checked whether its also a feature of civilisations that don't collapse. Its easy to point to the fall off Rome (at least as seen by Gibbon) and then also see the decadence that accompanied it. But there was also lots of weird shit happening in Tudor England and a lot of decadence/social upheaval in the 18th century.

This isn't a trans people have always existed argument. But people acting in somewhat mad ways, new technologies resulting in societal upheaval etc etc has always existed. And comparing modern times to the fall of Rome has been a thing ever since the fall of Rome.

There is a lot to worry about - but I don't think the Visigoths are necessarily about to sweep down from the North and destroy all.

It’s a known consequence of over-population.

Calhoun did some fascinating studies on mice with it. Given abundant resources and an apparent’utopia’ requiring no effort, the mice stopped mating normally and lost the social skills required to attract a mate and successfully reproduce.