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Teens traumatised by porn - Guardian

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drhf · 10/03/2023 18:03

Couldn’t see a thread for this already - Mixed bag piece in the Guardian with young adults powerfully and bravely describing how watching extreme porn as teens affected them - mostly very harmfully.
www.theguardian.com/society/2023/mar/10/readers-how-watching-porn-young-age-affected-their-life

Then this bit: “Jamie teaches sex education in an all-girls school. He said: ‘Porn doesn’t change people’s sexual behaviour in a vacuum. If a young man has been socialised into a misogynistic worldview then porn may shape it further. But I don’t agree that someone who understands consent and respect will be harmed by the porn they see. I view BDSM, which some see as extreme, and it has done no harm to me. It is also very popular. It doesn’t imply a real-life desire to hurt people. I’ve read research and found no robust evidence that porn causes harm. People who feel harmed by watching porn may be suffering because of their internalised shame. The solution is not abstinence, it is robust comprehensive sex education.’”

Then that’s the end of the piece - no comment, analysis or counter view. What is a man (if Jamie is a man) with those views doing teaching RSE in a girls’ school: “People who feel harmed by watching porn may be suffering because of their internalized shame”?

No possibility then that teenage girls could be horrified or traumatised at the thought that many potential partners expect brutalization as a routine part of sex? Or that they might feel concerned about whether the “performers” have freely consented, and be worried about their welfare? Or disgusted that sexual violence against women is so normalised that a teacher thinks girls who are distressed by it need to be educated out of their “internalized shame”?

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Slothtoes · 10/03/2023 22:27

it’s society-wide abuse of children on a grand scale

exactly this. What the actual fuck is any bloke doing teaching SRE in a fucking girls’ school? That’s so wrong. Women need to teach girls SRE in a woman focused way and most definitely not minimise the impact of porn on the partners they may go on to have.
Because girls today need to understand that very likely those partners won’t have the maturity or empathy to realise acting out the degrading dangerous stuff that passes for normal porn these days could be extremely harmful to them. And that future partners could have a very poor understanding of consent. Again, something easily fucked up by watching porn.

ScrollingLeaves · 10/03/2023 22:34

Not least, the BSD porn consumer, RSE teacher in an all girls’school,Jamie, should be aware of, is there cost to women of his hobby:
forthvalleyfeminists.com/dr-em-porn-culture-and-transgenderism/

(I first saw this a few months ago thanks to another poster.)

MrsOvertonsWindow · 10/03/2023 22:35

Is it too much to hope that Jamie has bragged in school about this and having outed himself as a BDSM fan who allows his personal views to inappropriately influence his teaching, the school will take action on a safeguarding basis?
Or maybe parents will find out and take action?
I try to avoid naming and shaming threads but this is an adult with beliefs that are not commensurate with safe ethical SRE teaching.

IJustHadToLookHavingReadTheBook · 10/03/2023 22:47

ScrollingLeaves · 10/03/2023 22:34

Not least, the BSD porn consumer, RSE teacher in an all girls’school,Jamie, should be aware of, is there cost to women of his hobby:
forthvalleyfeminists.com/dr-em-porn-culture-and-transgenderism/

(I first saw this a few months ago thanks to another poster.)

Thanks for sharing this. Important read.

QueenHippolyta · 10/03/2023 22:55

Girls today can support themselves, get a good education, why don't they demand good and enjoyable sex from men.
It's not the ghastly 1950s.
I don't get it...

ScrollingLeaves · 10/03/2023 22:55

IJustHadToLookHavingReadTheBook Today 22:47
Thanks for sharing this. Important read.

It important, isn’t it. (The transgender part is by the by here.)

TomeTome · 10/03/2023 23:01

This change is due to pornography watching, and so is the view that all women should shave their pubic area. It has been done in porn for different reasons, but the fashion began there. I don’t think this is right. I think women in the middle and far east have shaved for centuries.

TheSandgroper · 11/03/2023 00:05

I’ve recently discovered Jon Uhler. He would not have this man teaching his children.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=OHoNqIVF8Go

He is very prolific on YouTube.

CryptoFascistMadameCholet · 11/03/2023 00:37

Well, this is harrowing:

www.theguardian.com/society/2023/mar/10/porn-study-survey-uk-teenagers-addicted

Jamie needs to fuck off some more.

EpicChaos · 11/03/2023 01:04

DANGER! DANGER! Will Robinson! :-/

And to think, the poor vicar ( Rev. Dr. Randall ) that taught in a private school and who was reported to Prevent for saying, hold on a mo chaps/chapesses, mutilating yourselves and taking medications needs a bit of thinking about!
Questions need to be asked about the qualifications jaimie has to be teaching young girls about sex, or any other subject and what it was about jaimie that marked him out for the job, specifically!

As for porn, when i was growing up, the nearest we saw as kids, generally speaking, was the back page and inside back cover of the Ladybird book of The Boddy. Except for the time we found a stash of mags under a local bridge.
How times change and not for the bette.

GetOffMyDoorJack · 11/03/2023 01:31

A world where words are literal violence and triggering is also a world in which kids from 10yrs old and upwards are able to easily access and watch violent pornography. It's so fucked up.

SirVixofVixHall · 11/03/2023 01:34

MrsOvertonsWindow · 10/03/2023 18:20

Frankly Jamie sounds to be a danger to children. There are some adults who believe that their porn soaked, sexually incontinent attitudes make them suitable to be sex educators. They get off on sharing their beliefs with children & encroaching on children's boundaries and natural cautious instincts.

Agree with this.

mach2 · 11/03/2023 03:35

Is Jamie another one of these "sex-positive" people?

Cheekymaw · 11/03/2023 04:37

I've worked with 13 and 14 year old girls who have been pressured into anal sex and choking by their porn fixated boyfriends. Jamie is a fucking creep and shouldn't be anywhere near kids.

VoodooQualities · 11/03/2023 05:59

To be fair to the Guardian, the entire article is a series of quotations from people who answered the questionnaire. There's no editorial slant applied, nor does the journalist offer his opinion on any of the responses.

What he does do with Jamie though, which he doesn't do with Miranda, Sonya or Chris... is give us that little bit of extra information about how Jamie works at a girl's school.

It's almost as if the writer wants the reader to know that's where Jamie works.

ValancyRedfern · 11/03/2023 08:52

I teach some Rse and am on some rse teachers FB groups. Jamie is not an outlier.

Boiledbeetle · 11/03/2023 12:47

ValancyRedfern · 11/03/2023 08:52

I teach some Rse and am on some rse teachers FB groups. Jamie is not an outlier.

That's unsettling

SirVixofVixHall · 11/03/2023 12:50

Cheekymaw · 11/03/2023 04:37

I've worked with 13 and 14 year old girls who have been pressured into anal sex and choking by their porn fixated boyfriends. Jamie is a fucking creep and shouldn't be anywhere near kids.

This is horrifying.
My dds are 18 and 15. No dates yet . I feel sick that this is the world they are going into.

ScrollingLeaves · 11/03/2023 12:57

There was one school where they have had to get continence nurses in because older teenage girls are being injured by acting out what they see in porn.”

I am sorry to ask but what would that be?

If you could order a gun on line there would soon be checks that could stop you.
There could be more measures to stop people watching porn. It does not seem clear there is a will.

QuestioningFeminism · 11/03/2023 12:59

QueenHippolyta · 10/03/2023 18:19

It's so terribly sad. I grew up in the 70s where "The Joy of Sex" was the popular book. And women expected to enjoy themselves and men were expected to be good lovers!
Why aren't parents instructing teen boys?
Why are they telling teen girls that boys need to be caring lovers or forget it!
Porn is evil.

I'm very confused by your comment. Are you saying there is a problem with women expecting good sex? And are you saying it's bad for girls to seek caring lovers or it isn't?

Not being sarcastic mind you! I mean my questions respectfully. Just trying to clarify here.

ChaToilLeam · 11/03/2023 13:03

When I hear the words “it didn’t do me any harm” I’m already concerned because what follows usually demonstrates the opposite.

This Jamie character sounds like he should not be ANYWHERE near youngsters. What a creep.

ScrollingLeaves · 11/03/2023 13:04

Are you saying there is a problem with women expecting good sex?

No, she was saying the opposite.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 11/03/2023 13:06

ScrollingLeaves · 11/03/2023 12:57

There was one school where they have had to get continence nurses in because older teenage girls are being injured by acting out what they see in porn.”

I am sorry to ask but what would that be?

If you could order a gun on line there would soon be checks that could stop you.
There could be more measures to stop people watching porn. It does not seem clear there is a will.

Here you are Scrolling - here's the type of injuries happening to women and girls from anal sex (doesn't include choking, slapping, beating and all the other aspects of so called "rough sex" )

www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11102677/Doctors-reluctance-discuss-anal-sex-letting-women-unaware-risks.html

ScrollingLeaves · 11/03/2023 13:12

MrsOvertonsWindow · Today 13:06
Thank you. That explains it.

So something dangerous for women and girls is not only not being warned about but also promoted by the pushers in main stream media. Probably by Jamie too.

QuestioningFeminism · 11/03/2023 13:14

ScrollingLeaves · 11/03/2023 13:04

Are you saying there is a problem with women expecting good sex?

No, she was saying the opposite.

Thank you for clarifying.

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