Tennessee Marriage Equality - The First to Fall

[invalide]

The anti-LGBTQ political climate you are a part of has contributed to this bill passing. It was never going to stop at trans people.

I'm not some liberal for whom marriage equality is the be-all end-all metric of 'progress' or 'freedom', but it's indisputable we're looking at a backsliding of what limited recent progress has been made.

Many women on here predicted, and were dreading, the LGB backlash as a result of trans ideology. You're blaming the wrong people.

Transactivists deliberately force teamed with homosexual rights, in order to authenticate their goals.

It's all documented in the Denton report.

What did you think women meant when they said trans ideology is regressive??

Transactivists don't even believe in homosexuality. Take it up with them.

Exactly that, well put! 🙌🏻

Oh bore off @invalide

@Datun has explained this clearly to you. Trans activism has got nothing to do with LGB rights and activism, and its the forced teaming and absurd demands and behaviour from trans activists that has led to any backlash from those on the conservative side of politics.

We warned about this as a primary risk arising from the gender identity movement.

We highlighted that the overall acceptance of the entire LGBT community was shrinking, even among young adults, solely as a result of extremist trans activist demands when the first US-wide attitude survey showed this a few years ago.

We highlighted just how detrimental it was to include a group whose aims were so different from the LGB community within their community and campaigns.

We particularly highlighted just how self-destructive it was to include a group who deny the very basis upon which the LGB community rests - namely sex from which derives sexuality.

But we were told to shut up about all of that.

We were not wrong when we highlighted the risks of gender identity ideology and the push for self-id to women's rights and children's wellbeing, because we were proved right. And we were not wrong to warn about the risk to the LGB rights, because once again we were proved right.

Feel free to ignore the truth though. It's your modus operandi after all.

Well said, @Datun and @CharlieParley

I'm not surprised.
This is the backlash against the LGB that we've been warning about on this board for years.
Do you see how tolerance/acceptance for LGB has gone down while the knowledge of the T has gone up? Do you think it could be related?

Oh it's you again.

How ironic that you would use these words
it's indisputable we're looking at a backsliding of what limited recent progress has been made.

The same politicians who count themselves part of your political movement are the ones bringing about these laws. The debate whipped up around trans people's existence has simply been a foot in the door, an acceptable first target to shift the mainstream discourse further right.

I agree with Datun. If you want to know why this I'd happening, OP, look in the mirror.
The demands of the trans movement have been so extreme that the far right was always going to capitalise on it.
It's been women and gay people, like the LGB Alliance, who have constantly warning that gay rights are at risk of a backlash because of extremism in the trans movement.
You opened the door for this, not us.

This.

Why is a mainly UKbased forum being blamed for an American law? That's a fair bit of stretching on your part.

Yes

Since when have these people cared about material reality?

We may be women on a UK parenting forum, but we are not your mum. HTH.

@invalide I expect you know how dishonest you are being. The determination to attribute views and alliances to people that they have not in any way expressed is one of the most pathetic, desperate and infuriating tactics of TRAs. And frankly it shows how few arguments they have.

You do know, don't you, that the belief that sex is binary, unchangeable, and significant is shared by almost everybody on the planet? It follows that it is going to be shared by some people who are reactionary, bigotted shit heads. But, hey, are you going to give up believing in gravity because Hitler believed in it too? Are you a closet Tory because you share Rishi Sunak's belief that Birmingham is north of London?

Fuck off with these weaselly intellectually bankrupt micro-punches.

Indeed. Take it up with the Americans, OP.

Transactivism is the open sesame for all that to happen.

Stop transactivists campaigning to allow convicted rapists access to incarcerated women, and sex shows for babies.

It's all within your and their power to sort it out.

Off you go.

A while you're at it, if you are absolutely intent on making exactly the same mistake, and force team yourself with homosexuals, why don't you try and come up with a fucking definition that doesn't erase them completely.

Hey, anyone want to write to their MP?

sex-matters.org/take-action/write-to-your-mp-about-the-petition/

And another thing, there was a very early warning sign of this development in the US, when the ongoing struggle to protect employees from discrimination on the basis of their sexuality (at a federal level) was made harder by including gender identity. That law proposal was called ENDA. It had its best chance of passing in 2007, but this was scuppered by TRA winning the fight to have gender identity included in the Bill. After a lot of debate, it became clear that it would not pass because of that, so gender identity was then dropped again. The damage was done, though, and ENDA failed. Again. (And LGB rights campaigners had basically begged trans rights campaigners to let them have this Bill, because it would amount to self-sabotage to include the T. To no avail.)

From 2009, gender identity was included as a must.

ENDA never passed, never even got close after that. So the LGBT community gave up on it in 2015 and is now focusing on the Equality Act, which is still not law. In 2023.

If (and it's a big but reasonable if based on legal and political opinions I read), LGB campaigners had been allowed to focus on their rights first, I'm certain ENDA would have passed by now.

So I would say that there'll be a fair number of gay men and lesbian women in the US who'll blame someone entirely different from the OP for this new Bill.

Iranian politicians are part of your political movement invalide as they believe in transitioning homosexual men. When are you going to start taking responsibility for the murder of hundreds of men and women there who believe women should not have to wear a hijab?

The back-lash against the relentless pushing of queer theory and ideology was bound to happen. Saying there was no LGB without the TQI+ has implications and also consequneces.

It's quite tedious now this constant blaming of sensible women for all the bad shit that happens.

Although I do quite like idea that mumsnet has such giant-slaying cross jurisdictional world dominating impact.

Yes, does OP really think that conservative Republicans in the USA would have been fine with trans demands if only the mummies on a UK website hadn't started talking about it?
You've played right into their hands I'm afraid. All they have to say to their followers is that the T proves that LGB acceptance is a slippery slope.
This isn't my view but I'd put money on it being theirs.

This has been a grassroots movement, and mainly of women from the Left, actually. And in Britain.

As others have said it was always inevitable that there would be a back-lash from the general public when they finally got wind of matters. Turning Pride into a parade of fetish and kink and pushing DQST and 101 different genders - all of which seem to revolve about how much, how little, or in what way you like to have sex.

And yet we've been repeatedly told there are only 6 of us, no-one takes any notice of us, the general public are not on our side, politicians are not on our side, nobody is listening to us and yet, amazingly, we wield such power that we are able to exert influence on a Bill passed in a State in America.

Incredible.