Would you go into a mens toilet for the Gender Critical cause?

[Isheabastard]

I am Gender critical.

I have a lot of sympathy for people with true gender dysphoria. Any one who has had bottom surgery (penis removal) would be welcome in my private spaces. However I admit it’s not always easy to separate who’s who.

I also believe that most people underestimate the lengths predators will go to to have access to women and children.

It has occurred to me that if ‘men’ are able to go into womens loos, then women should be able to go into mens loos. Especially when the womens loos have become ‘mixed’, but the mens has been left untouched.

I know most women would say “Yuck that’s just not something we want to do”, but hear me out. I am an older overweight grey haired woman. If I put on a mannish jacket and tie, popped on a man’s hat and a ludicrous fake beard or moustache, went into the mens loos, went past the men at the urinals and into a cubicle, do you think the men would feel the same discomfiture as women feel when the opposite happens?

I think as long as the woman was way past being attractive she would probably be safe enough, especially if safeguards were used. Suggestions gratefully received.

A bit of me wants to do this to ‘take one for the team’, but honestly I’m too much of a coward.

Is there anyone out there who thinks like me, and even more important anyone out there that thinks they could actually do this?

Or am I being a mad as a box of frogs, post menopausal crazy cat lady?

Man Friday did that! It was a thing.

Ooh I’ve never heard of Man Friday, I’ll go and look that up.

Thankyou for your reply, I was beginning to think I was the only one and had started packing my beard away!

Man Friday were great, really made excellent points around this. Brave women

It would certainly discomfit the men in there, but not I think in the same way that a man in the women's would. I personally would feel that my privacy was being invaded and would feel uneasy about the welfare of the woman. I certainly wouldn't feel unsafe or threatened.

Me and my friends used to use the mens toilets when in nightclubs in the 90s. Couldn't be bothered to wait in the huge queue for the ladies. The men were not happy and we were frequently shouted at. Very stupid of us.

However, the men weren't fearing for their safety, they were just annoyed that they had women walking past them whilst they were at the urinal.

Cross Post with @Iusethem 😁 evidently not all men minded!

I take issue at 'way past being attractive' - firstly because I don't think age has much bearing on being attractive but then more to the point, being attractive doesn't cause a person to be raped.
Rapists rape for all sorts of reasons, opportunism being one of them.

I've considered whether to use the men's loos when they've been downstairs and the women's have been upstairs, but I didnt feel it would be safe for me, and I would also not be keen to make men using urinals feel uncomfortable.

If the uncomfortableness is the point, it might well have an impact but possibly only if accompanied by you leaving some leaflets there or something like that. Otherwise you're the weirdo who doesn't read door labels and it gets shrugged off.

I will absolutely use the mens toilet in extremis as it is. The urinary leash is still a real thing and I have no problem shouting ' woman incoming!' And using a cubicle in the mens. Most men I have come across are very accommodating when I explain the situation.

I went into the Men’s loos of a shop because the wash-hand basin in the women’s wasn’t working-
But got my brother to check there were no men in there first. 👍

men might be uncomfortable, but they wouldn't be scared because generally men are not at risk from women. It looks like the same issue of space, but it isn't, its an issue of safety. Women have more reason to need safe spaces.

I don't go shopping very often but when I do I seek out the men's changing rooms esp in shops like M&S and John Lewis.

I would go in a men's loo, no probs.

I take issue at 'way past being attractive' - firstly because I don't think age has much bearing on being attractive but then more to the point, being attractive doesn't cause a person to be raped.
Rapists rape for all sorts of reasons, opportunism being one of them.

Agreed- Rape isn’t just about age or looks.
Heaven forfend, women in their Eighties have been raped or sexually assaulted .

Rape is about hate and power, not because a man sees an attractive woman and can’t control himself.

do you think the men would feel the same discomfiture as women feel when the opposite happens?

No

When the Man Friday chaps went into the men's pool at Hampstead, they called the police who removed them.

So the men get the men's pool, the mixed pool and because they won't come out if men go into the women's pool, they get that too. Women get nowhere.

Same old same old.

I take issue at 'way past being attractive' - firstly because I don't think age has much bearing on being attractive but then more to the point, being attractive doesn't cause a person to be raped. Rapists rape for all sorts of reasons, opportunism being one of them.

Good point.

I remember at Eighteen at a private swimming pool , a workmate (Male) said Women’s is in there” and I walked in to see men under showers looking horrified and grabbing towels or using hands to shield their genitals.

Workmate thought it hugely funny-
But I didn’t- nor did the men.

That sounds like the men were embarassed (hurt feelings) not frightened that you were a rapist (need for safe spaces)

No, because I'd feel very uncomfortable and I don't think it would achieve anything, because a) I'm not famous, so the general public wouldn't know or care if I did it and b) men would most likely be mildly taken aback, not threatened by my presence.

A woman came into the men’s changing room at my husbands gym recently. She stripped naked and got changed in front of everyone. I would love to know why she did it. I assume to make a point. Very brave if so.

On paper I have no issue at all using men’s toilets. Like you ok, I’d probably ‘pass’ (being tall especially helps) and I’m all for fighting the system.

Unfortunately social conditioning means I would probably feel far more awkward about it then any men in there. Because I’m a woman and been trained for the past 50 years to be considerate of others, often at the expense of myself.

Plus one of the arguments put forward by the TWAW gang is that TW need to use women’s toilets because they are not safe in men’s toilets. So given that argument, why would I choose to put myself in danger?

I use men’s toilets all the time if necessary
always have
everywhere clubs pubs shops

As you might guess from my user name, I am a man, long term lurker but very rare poster.

Women do use men's toilets, I have seen I loads in busy pubs at a weekend, no one cares.

But it's not really the same thing and no man should be using a woman's toilet.

I hate mixed toilets, you can't get near the sink for people doing their hair or makeup and there are no urinals.

Honestly, any man that goes into a single sex spaces is at best - especially now that many women's voices are being heard about their need for single sex spaces - ignoring a clear 'no' and desire for boundaries. This is a red flag.

So if there was a man in the women's, I'd use the mens. The census data analysis and prisons stats show that transwomen are 5x more likely than men to be convicted of sex crimes so on that basis alone, I'm going to safeguard my child by going in the mens if the situation arises.

I do try and avoid using public toilets these days where possible because of course someone can come in when you're already in there.

The biggest concern to me is my teen daughter, especially since Dolatowski highlighted the safeguarding problem. I encourage her to go with a group of friends if not with me, or use single toilets (yes, the disabled if necessary) where possible. She also has honed the skill of not drinking and not going to the toilet all day as a survival strategy in school (even though they have single sex toilets, they're not that nice and there isn't much time nor enough toilets) so she rarely needs to go when out.