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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Terfenstein 3D

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PorcelinaV · 03/03/2023 08:53

As far as I know there is no thread on this before:

boundingintocomics.com/2023/02/28/transgender-developer-releases-anti-gender-fascist-game-terfenstein-3d-to-draw-a-comparison-between-gender-critics-and-nazi-germany/

Transgender Developer Releases Anti-“Gender Fascist” Game ‘Terfenstein 3D’ To “Draw A Comparison Between Gender Critics And Nazi Germany”

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Moen describes Terfenstein 3D as offering “LGBTQAI+, transgender, and feminist themes of gender-critical people and what a post-war apocalyptic world would look like if gender fascists won.”

“In this dystopian world, fascists have killed and imprisoned all transgender and queer people, subjecting them to harsh conversion therapy, imprisonment, and death. You play as an escapee fleeing their detention center, while you exact your revenge.” Moen states the game “brings to light the very real transphobic violence many transgender people face for just existing.”

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PorcelinaV · 03/03/2023 08:58

Apparently you shoot women, priests and dogs in the game. It's a revenge fantasy where the scenario is obviously laughable and if anything just suggests paranoid delusions.

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Babdoc · 03/03/2023 09:00

How ironic, given that clinics such as the Tavistock and Sandyford are administering conversion therapy to gay autistics, “transing the gay away.”

ReunitedThorns · 03/03/2023 09:10

It sums up the type of people you're dealing with. Nerdy teenage boys (and the men they grew up to be), who could either go down the incel path or trans path.

You're not dealing with mature people, instead you're dealing with childish rage who instead of proper debate look at modding a computer game.

There seems to be a large overlap between love of computer games and transgender identity.

RufustheSpeculatingreindeer · 03/03/2023 09:14

Why dogs?

I mean i get women, been happening for ever

but are they more cat people or something?

BettyFilous · 03/03/2023 09:56

RufustheSpeculatingreindeer · 03/03/2023 09:14

Why dogs?

I mean i get women, been happening for ever

but are they more cat people or something?

Dogs need walking, which means leaving your basement den, getting outdoors and “touching grass” (reality). Dogs are problematic.

ToastyMcToastyface · 03/03/2023 10:08

Dogs have also caused literal violence for at least one trans women I seem to remember reading. They were extremely upset at a friends dog who “hates men” not validating them by barking at them.

Also, I feel so sad that it’s so normal for women to be the target that I was initially more horrified at the dogs being killed!

Helleofabore · 03/03/2023 10:12

PorcelinaV · 03/03/2023 08:58

Apparently you shoot women, priests and dogs in the game. It's a revenge fantasy where the scenario is obviously laughable and if anything just suggests paranoid delusions.

I will wait to see the 'nothing to see here' posts come along...

Nothing wrong with dehumanising language being used for people who you disagree with at all...

ArabellaScott · 03/03/2023 10:25

Useful info on the person who created this game.

'While a university student, Moen became embroiled in controversy after a woman complained about his presence in the women’s locker room. Moen, who has not had “sex-reassignment surgery,” received media attention in 2017 after it came to light that he had exposed his penis to women in the SiS Sports Center on campus.

ReunitedThorns · 03/03/2023 10:43

I wish when people went on about it becoming like Nazi Germany people did research about many of the pioneering sex change surgeons who were German and worked with the Nazis and carried out many experiments for them.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erwin_Gohrbandt

Fukuraptor · 03/03/2023 10:46

ReunitedThorns · 03/03/2023 09:10

It sums up the type of people you're dealing with. Nerdy teenage boys (and the men they grew up to be), who could either go down the incel path or trans path.

You're not dealing with mature people, instead you're dealing with childish rage who instead of proper debate look at modding a computer game.

There seems to be a large overlap between love of computer games and transgender identity.

Oi! There's an overlap between gamers and GC folk too! 😅

I can see how creating a game avatar allows you to explore a fantasy hero self. And I have certainly played male characters - firstly through lack of choice (e.g. early Pokémon games only had one (male) character you could play as, and then also because the female characters were often very gender stereotyped and I'm gender non conforming). But in that kind of context where you are playing a game, in a fictional world, I think it is clear role playing.

But I think it's really social platforms such as Tumblr and Instagram where people have brought their fantasy selves into something more like real life and are presenting it as reality where the disconnect has really set in. (And it's not just the genderists who do this of course, people's appearances, family life, homes etc are all "showing their best side" on social media). People curate their public personas, and have found a world where they have an illusion of control over other people's perceptions of them. You are who you say you are because people don't have anything else to go on.

Anyway yes this seems a really psychologically unhealthy game to immerse oneself in. I can imagine the uproar if GC feminists had made a game which failed to validate genderist beliefs even if it wasn't at all violent.

It's amazing that they still think they are the kind ones.

JacquelinePot · 03/03/2023 10:47

Does someone want a cutted up pear?

MassiveWordSalad · 03/03/2023 12:04

Creating a game fulfilling a fantasy about murdering women? That's stereotypically incel behaviour, Sandra. Not very ladylike at all.

Igmum · 03/03/2023 12:40

Is there any hope that this isn't actually legal? (What am I saying, it's probably compulsory)

Blister · 03/03/2023 13:37

It's much cheaper to download a picture of any woman, imagining she symbolises the woman who refused to look at your penis, and use it as dart board practice.

But I'm guessing there's more joy in sharing the hate...

TheSimpleRidcully · 03/03/2023 13:52

I wonder if it’ll outsell Hogwarts Legacy 🤔

EndlessTea · 03/03/2023 13:55

Am I right in thinking the ‘nazi’ banner is ‘xx’ rather than a swastika?

It’s our nazi sex chromosomes stopping the fellas being women.

TheirEminence · 03/03/2023 13:59

Way to combat the ‘trancel’ stereotype …

ImFineThankYouSusan · 03/03/2023 14:08

TheirEminence · 03/03/2023 13:59

Way to combat the ‘trancel’ stereotype …

They can't help themselves.

Ofcourseshecan · 03/03/2023 14:46

JacquelinePot · 03/03/2023 10:47

Does someone want a cutted up pear?

Grin

If only that was enough to soothe their giant-sized tantrums

nepeta · 03/03/2023 16:04

Moen states the game “brings to light the very real transphobic violence many transgender people face for just existing.”

'For just existing' is something I see repeated all the time on Twitter, the idea that transgender people are attacked just for existing and that those attacks are intended to annihilate them.

Would this be 'dog whistle' in the way the trans activists argue that asking them to define 'woman' in their theology is?

Not sure, but clearly nobody gender critical is denying that transgender people exist.

The debate is now more about whether bog-standard women are allowed to exist, keep their words, their spaces etc.

And about which privileges transgender people should have over and above the rights that all people should have (such as redefining our whole language, redefining female sex into ownership of various body parts (ovary-owners), erasing 'mother' from language, and turning 'women' into a mixed sex category).

PorcelinaV · 03/03/2023 17:43

"Not sure, but clearly nobody gender critical is denying that transgender people exist."

I think you're supposedly "denying their existence" if you don't go along with the idea that they are really women.

I mean, you can try to explain that you don't deny their existence, but merely disagree with one of their beliefs, but they want to make it this big thing. I have been told before, "I will not debate my existence". Fine. Just don't expect other people to take it seriously then.

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nepeta · 03/03/2023 18:20

PorcelinaV · 03/03/2023 17:43

"Not sure, but clearly nobody gender critical is denying that transgender people exist."

I think you're supposedly "denying their existence" if you don't go along with the idea that they are really women.

I mean, you can try to explain that you don't deny their existence, but merely disagree with one of their beliefs, but they want to make it this big thing. I have been told before, "I will not debate my existence". Fine. Just don't expect other people to take it seriously then.

Yes, I agree. What they wish, tho, erases all of us who are women because we are female. So it's a conflict, and should be discussed rather than seen from their side only.

ApocalipstickNow · 03/03/2023 18:37

JacquelinePot · 03/03/2023 10:47

Does someone want a cutted up pear?

Certainly doesn’t want a cutted up pair.

QuinkWashable · 03/03/2023 18:38

Dogs were in the orignal Wolfenstein 3D - Alsatians I think, so it's just lazy re-skinning

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