Interviewing 'woke' students about TW and prisons

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Quite interesting to hear what people think and how incredibly confused they are.

I don't understand how they can all say such idiotic things without realising it makes no sense.

The first one says there are feminine and masculine traits in psychology. What does that even mean? Are they referring to sexist out of date bullshit that men are "courageous and brave and assertive" and women "soft and kind and passive"? And if not old sexism then what?

Then she says depending on where they are in the transition men claiming to be women should be either in a male or female prison. How does that make sense? where is the line?

The second one says if a woman thinks she's a man she should go in the men's prison. There is a reason why nowhere are they doing this even when they put men in women's prisons.

The third guy agrees sex and gender are different but then says men should be in women's prisons because it needs to be taken into account how they are treated. What about the women who get stuck with a bloke in prison? What about how they are treated? No mention.

The fourth one eventually ends up in "case by case" and women are who identifies as such. So they say women should be in men's prisons?

Fluff coat starts with intersex people and the myth there are as many of them as people with red hair or the whole population of Russia 🙄. Then comes with the "other cultures have more genders" and starts with two spirit, a term invented in the 90's. Then there is the big brain moment saying people who say women in prison are in danger when you put a big violent bloke in there with them are "ignorant and don't know what goes on"

The last girl is the smartest of the lot but she is so scared to talk about it but eventually she can say men should go in men's prisons. This poor girl should not be so stressed to say the truth.

I'm not sure I can watch that. I might cringe myself into some kind of knot of limbs I can't untangle. It sounds incredibly embarrassing for them.

Not sure if I can watch this as the cognitive dissonance as described above will make me feel 😩

I do think the interviewer seeks out and showcases the most cringe people! Although he did show that last woman who clearly had some sense. So maybe they really all are that inane.

There's one inescapable conclusion from these interviews. Someone (teachers, academics, activists?) have done a hell of a job on these kids to brainwash them into their fantasy world.

It's also striking how embarrassed and hesitant they all are. Not one of them sounds sure of what they're saying and they are all constantly umming and ahhing and wondering if they are saying the 'correct' thing, not what they actually think.

If these students at represent the country's brightest and best, God help us all!

I bailed at fluffy coat non binary like like like.

Considering this is the age group that should understand this stuff inside out, they are very confused. (Or know exactly what they think but are scared of being outed for wrong think). This is the lot that are going to be running the country in not too many years. Such fun!

I felt the way he began bun referring to two genders was a confusing way to start the conversations, though he would go on to be clearer about sex at a later point.

It seemed for all but the last girl, and the boy with curly hair, that transwomen are so special that by comparison ordinary women more or less don’t matter and do not even merit a second thought. They did seem to be wary of saying the wrong thing to the extent that there were moments where they seemed to be trying not to think in case logic gave them the ‘wrong’ answer.

They are evidently ignorant about what some men who identify as trans in the prison system have been convicted of.

I agreed with a lot of what the first person said actually. There are 2 sexes and multiple genders/personalities. Transitioning is a process and TW are at risk (amongst others) in male prisons. (Don't jump me cos I obviously don't believe female prisons are the solution).

What was heart breaking was that this confident, fluent, compassionate person wants surgeries to change their body because they don't think females can behave in any way but stereotypically feminine. How have our children got to this hugely sexist place? Fuck you stonewall et al. Blood on your hands.

I only pray the scales fall from their eyes sooner rather than later.

I watched this - though I'm a bit wary of who the makers of this are? The inteviewees (except the last woman) have no consideration for women and women in prison at all and have to be prompted to think about them. All are confused and worried about poor transpeople. The most positive take from this is that thankfully these people are innocent, trying to do the right thing and have no understanding of the darkside of gender ideology.

The most positive take from this is that thankfully these people are innocent, trying to do the right thing and have no understanding of the darkside of gender ideology

It is sad though that the ‘dark side’, the 1984 side, has successfully quelled any questioning in their minds.

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Toseland · Today 08:48 who wrote the first paragraph I forgot to put in bold.

To be fair though, @ScrollingLeaves, everyone has been strongly encouraged to see the typical tw prisoner as a harmless individual, almost certainly gay, who passes as a woman and is guilty of fraud or tax dodging.

Adam Graham and Co are causing scales to clatter from people's eyes. Not a moment too soon.

I think that there are two types of woke people. The ones who are totally brainwashed and busily brainwashing their peers. The other type are the ones who just don't really know, want to be kind, and are terrified of the first type who will report them and get them kicked off their course if they say the wrong thing. This type of woke will probably get past it once they are confronted with reality.

Also, young people are dumb. I remember what an obnoxious idiot I was at that age. I'm just grateful there was no social media then and I have been allowed to conveniently forget my stupidity.

I actually think that the idea that prisoners are some kind of criminal underclass and, therefore, not ‘real people like us’ underpins a lot of this stuff. Ironically, given how they frame it as caring about the vulnerable and hating ‘othering’.

The people saying TWAW simply don’t really see female prisons are real, vulnerable people. Nor do they see them as relevant to them - they’d never be a prisoner, would they?

Prisoners aren’t the sort of sympathetic ‘others’ undergraduate students can easily build a saviour/champion/ally image around. Honestly, I do think that trans ally has come to fill the void left now that being a white saviour to poor majority world children is maligned rather than lauded.

A few weeks ago I met a young woman studying journalism who had recently realised her fellow students did not know that prisons are meant to be single sex.

🤣 That is a beautifully articulated description of how I feel about it.

Some of them know, but they can barely bring themselves to voice their heretical thoughts. And to be fair to them, how do you think their social lives at uni would go if they were labelled as terfs? I can't really blame them for just wanting to keep their heads down and enjoy life at that stage and in that environment. I feel sorry for them.

Also a lot of young women take time to come to feminism. Many of them are still very male identified - notice how all of them talked about the male prisoner's safety and well-being but the last woman was the only one to explicitly give a thought to how she would feel as a female prisoner in that situation, to put herself in their shoes. Of all the interviewees, the last one will definitely be fine, she is just young.

I felt like a lot of them spoke as if they started off trying to use their own words to answer the questions, faltered as cognitive dissonance hit, then remembered the soundbites they're supposed to believe in and gratefully resorted to them.

They finish their degrees with a load of debt, yet come out of uni with less brains then they went in with.
And unemployable as well.

Agree. Some people on here are very scathing about young people who have confused thinking on this issue and it's unnecessary. We all had unrealistic ideas when we were younger or let ourselves be unduly influenced by our peers and what we knew were 'supposed' to think. Perhaps not to this extent but the force of the peer pressure on this particular issue is insane.

Yes, some of them are fully into it. But many of them just don't want to go there. It's not that they are so stupid they think people can change sex, it's that they will not allow themselves to think or speak freely. The self-censorship is painful to watch but it's not exactly intelligence that is the issue and they can probably think critically about other topics. You can tell some of them are just fully parroting the party line (down to regurgitating specific arguments they've taken from internet memes, e.g. the red hair thing) and not expressing any of their own thoughts. They put up a mental fence around this issue with 'Warning. Dangerous' tape all around it and maybe in private they give themselves permission to think about it, but some won't even do that. None of them clearly understand gender ideology because it doesn't make any sense and that is very much a feature, not a bug.

I've been there, which is something I've admitted on here before under other names, but the response is always mostly scoffing at how anybody could ever be so thick and it's very hard to explain once you have snapped out of it.

Good grief, the denial of material reality in some of these people interviewed is so clear.

And the contortions! The mental contortions are deep and twisted.

They have fully believed that male rapists are so marginalised and so vulnerable. And they cannot give female prisons much thought. They also seem to be about ' prison is not the right answer' anyway.

Strewth.

And all the false misinformation all came out and was repeated.