Posie Parker featured in Hope Not Hate's State of Hate 2023.

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In section 6 Anti-LGBT+ Section hopenothate.org.uk/2023/02/26/state-of-hate-2023-rhetoric-racism-and-resentment/

As you can imagine that insane group Actual Gender Critical Left (basically a tiny group of 3 or 4 women who think they are intellectual giants) are revellling in this.

As AGCL has been one of the main sources of smears and misrepresentation against PP they must feel they have achieved their aims. Note the comments from those who are also part of WPUK. www.facebook.com/groups/904109420071073/posts/1571864919962183/

I have little time for hope not hate.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-63487213

They profited from a TV series about the plan to kill Rosie Cooper. Rosie said she was used as a marketing tool for the drama, and feared it might inspire further attacks.

Hope not hate didn't care.

None of that description is in good faith. I appreciate they use a different approach but I hate the fact that they use guilt by association.

Dickheads

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How fucking ridiculous.

AGCL can revel all they like. They are becoming ever more irrelevant.

KJK is pro women and children and the protection of their human dignity.
Just watch and listen to the beautiful speech from yesterday's Standing for Women by Natalie, if you haven't already...

I agree AGCL are irrelevant really, so ineffectual that despite claims to have been fighting for feminism for decades have made little headway in the public imagination. KJK on the other hand has been very successfully in her communications and her branding. She speaks to ordinary people - men and women. If the movement was interested in women cohesively it would resist this bitching. I am really disappointed that it doesn't. But it is fairly obvious who is going by the wayside and who will be listened to going forward. The only thing KJK says to date, is let women speak, and she calls out issues that are obviously harmful to women and girls. She has no partisan agenda, at least no publicaly owned one to this point. But I do feel for her - she is not without feelings as anyone who has watched her speak will attest. I am pretty sure AGCL would not like a taste of their own medicine.

It's a bit strange but Kellie Jay is one of the few people who make me feel hopeful. I do wonder why that could be ...

Yes, I saw AGCL being rude about KJK. I agree they’re jealous of the impact she’s making.

There are all these disingenuous little threads on here too about ‘I really admire Posie but….’ Or ‘Is it true that KJK…’

I think the problem is that like it or not Hope Not Hate is used by lazy journalists as a source for stories.

They wont bother with looking at the facts.

And this will just become another false statement that will be repeated as true with, for many TRAs, the added benefit of being confirmed by a "respected" group.

And it does also show that what to most women is a tiny irrelevant group, can be used by those hostile to women's sex based rights, as evidence that women are pro trans.

If you look at the reach on FWR and despite derails etc., has a fairly common opinion on the erosion of women's rights. But somehow those with a platfrom the MSM listen to just ignore or insult mumsnet etc..

Hope not Hate has been am oxymoron for a long time. I followed them on twitter when they started thinking they were a good thing, but sadly they've been pushing hate not hope for a long time.

This.

KJK makes me feel hope for women and children in this country. She is magnificent and so, so brave.

The twisting that is required to take 'let women speak' and the straightforward 'we don't want men in women's spaces' into something hateful is quite amazing. Especially when you look at who is attending KJK's events and who the opposing side are. Yes, all these mums and grandmas are hateful - so ridiculous.

And if that is hateful, TW pushing their way into women's spaces despite the loud and clear 'no' from very many women is what?

They blocked me on Facebook for pointing out to some brocialist arse, with the actual numbers, that trans people were not at greater risk of murder than the general population.

"I think the problem is that like it or not Hope Not Hate is used by lazy journalists as a source for stories.

They wont bother with looking at the facts.

And this will just become another false statement that will be repeated as true with, for many TRAs, the added benefit of being confirmed by a "respected" group."

This.

I hate the term fascist because it doesn't tell you what the person has done wrong, it tells you they are a baddie and to keep away.

Yes, same here. And also with Stop Funding Hate, who went after The Mail for supporting Linda Bellos!

The KJK bit

Barrel scraping

Ooh, will we be getting another KJK is the literal worst thread off the back of this?

I'm sure it's inevitable.

I’ve never heard of AGCL, are there well-known (to feminists, anyway) women in it?

KJK fills me with hope
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Wasn't one of the Hope Not Hate researchers formerly employed by Stonewall?

"The Big Lie" is frequently used by organisations like NPR, CNN etc. to describe Trump's delusional claims about the 2020 presidential election, so it's a bit of a stretch to use it to link KJK to Hitler. FFS!
Some examples:

www.cnn.com/2021/05/19/politics/donald-trump-big-lie-explainer/index.html

www.npr.org/2021/12/23/1065277246/trump-big-lie-jan-6-election

www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/04/trump-voters-big-lie-stolen-election/629572/

I’ve never heard of AGCL, are there well-known (to feminists, anyway) women in it?

Its actually quite a small group who think they are fighting the good fight by bringing to light racism and homophobia etc.. Not even sure they are feminist.

But they actually spend a lot of time stalking not only PP but also Kara Dansky, because I think some of them thought they could set them on the straight and narrow left agenda, which both obviously didn't do, and for AGCL they both became very popular influencial.

I dont think they actually do anything. Just snipe at other women online and dont seem to understand by not actually doing anything they have about as much impact as a wet sponge in a rainstorm.

But ... the interesting thing that some of us didn't know, until it was uncovered during the now infamous thread about a workshop a FiLia called the Elephant in the Room, that there is an overlap with the women who are behind WPUK.

And once this became clear, it is obvious if you follow WPUK on facebook that they manipulate information and speakers for meetings to basically promote each other and the women they approve of.

I think some women were quite disillusioned by this wanting to feel that women's groups despite their different approaches were working towards a common goal. Not that some groups are as much about being a source of misinformation and misdirection about other groups.

On one level I think it would be valid to say the open mic approach does leave SfW open to letting people you dont want to associated with having a public platform. But as the meetings are advertised as that, why would it come as a surprise that sometimes this happens.

But what both WPUK and AGCL do is turn it into some sort of right wing conspiracy with PP actively encouraging right wing extremists etc..

It wouldn't matter of course as most of us can shrug it off as just spiteful jealously. But the trouble is, it gives ammunition and encouragement to all those who want to attack PP / SfW.

It was not accident that those turning up to demonstrate against the open meeting last sunday where shouting that the meeting was about facism.

(sorry about the frequent use of the word actually, it has sort of got stuck in my braind because of AGCL)