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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Letter stressing the importance of the word woman in NHS communications

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2Rebecca · 24/02/2023 17:31

Apologies if posted before. I couldn't see a post on it. Yesterday the Clinical Advisory Network on sex and Gender CAN-SG which I am involved in published an open letter to NHS chiefs in the UK stressing the reasons why the word woman should be retained in NHS campaigns and literature.
The letter is here can-sg.org/2023/02/23/open-letter-to-nhs-chiefs-the-importance-of-the-word-woman/ if anyone wants to see it

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Clarice99 · 25/02/2023 09:27

Fantastic letter @2Rebecca Thank you.

Signed. Link forwarded to friends & family.

hryllilegur · 25/02/2023 09:30

One of the reasons this is very bad from
a content design perspective is that it is presented as is it’s being ‘inclusive’ and , therefore, is ‘user centred’.

but it’s not. It fails to meet the basic needs of the vast majority of users. And for the very small number of users it’s supposedly ‘including’, it’s confusing user desires/wants with needs. It’s confusing their political agenda with their user needs to access comprehensible information about their health.

The thing is, every single trans man knows that for NHS purposes the term ‘woman’ applies to them. They absolutely know it. The know they are biologically female and that advice for women about cervical screening etc includes them. Without using any other terminology.

They might not like that or want to acknowledge it. But that’s a political point rather than a need. Accommodating their highly political desire to not be called women makes the information far, far less accessible to the vast majority of users. Many of those users are vulnerable and socially excluded in various ways. Designing for the wants of a tiny minority who know the information applies to them exacerbates the exclusion of these users. So it’s not a trade off they should be making.

NHS information specifically for transmen about trans issues is a different thing. But mainstream stuff about pregnancy or women’s health should be written in the language women understand about themselves.

Tygertiger · 25/02/2023 09:39

hryllilegur · 25/02/2023 09:30

One of the reasons this is very bad from
a content design perspective is that it is presented as is it’s being ‘inclusive’ and , therefore, is ‘user centred’.

but it’s not. It fails to meet the basic needs of the vast majority of users. And for the very small number of users it’s supposedly ‘including’, it’s confusing user desires/wants with needs. It’s confusing their political agenda with their user needs to access comprehensible information about their health.

The thing is, every single trans man knows that for NHS purposes the term ‘woman’ applies to them. They absolutely know it. The know they are biologically female and that advice for women about cervical screening etc includes them. Without using any other terminology.

They might not like that or want to acknowledge it. But that’s a political point rather than a need. Accommodating their highly political desire to not be called women makes the information far, far less accessible to the vast majority of users. Many of those users are vulnerable and socially excluded in various ways. Designing for the wants of a tiny minority who know the information applies to them exacerbates the exclusion of these users. So it’s not a trade off they should be making.

NHS information specifically for transmen about trans issues is a different thing. But mainstream stuff about pregnancy or women’s health should be written in the language women understand about themselves.

I wonder if the promotion of this ideology is coming from trans women than trans men.

As in, if TWAW, then of course not all women have cervixes or ovaries. So they want to refer to “people with cervixes” because then they’re still real women as TW, as woman is no longer a biological term. It feels like a male-driven campaign.

XanaduKira · 25/02/2023 09:42

Signed - thanks @2Rebecca

watcherintherye · 25/02/2023 10:22

Signed

Pootleplum · 25/02/2023 10:37

Signed as a patient.

RubyTrees · 25/02/2023 10:46

Fabulous letter OP, thank you.

I've signed and shared.

ThisIsTheGreatestShow · 25/02/2023 10:59

Signed. Thank you for sharing

bamboonights · 25/02/2023 12:18

Signed

viques · 25/02/2023 12:26

Signed

hryllilegur · 25/02/2023 13:36

@Tygertiger I’m not convinced it matters who is driving the (political) campaign. All that’s really relevant is that there is a concerted effort to erase the word woman in NHS materials (but not the word men) and this has serious negative consequences for the intelligibility of the information presented, which disadvantage women in alarming ways.

Health information is already an especially thorny challenge for content design. It’s innately complex and difficult to simplify without losing important information. It’s high stakes too because people getting the right information can impact on survival rates.

So there is absolutely no excuse for any of it. We already know that women are poorly served by healthcare practices based around male as a default. Clear health messaging for women is so important.

Topseyt123 · 25/02/2023 13:52

Signed!

I agree though that it is depressing and frustrating that this is actually needed in 2023.

Why on earth are they trying to erase women? That's what it can seem like anyway. Misogyny?

HopRockers · 25/02/2023 17:45

Bumping for visibility

SummerSazz · 25/02/2023 17:48

Signed

XanaduKira · 25/02/2023 19:15

Oh yes, I'll bump again too.

Forgotthebins · 25/02/2023 20:08

Excellent letter, thank you.

Gagagardener · 25/02/2023 20:50

@2Rebecca I signed because I think you make many important points, and thank you for posting it here.

Quibble: surely 'more than 50 per cent of the UK population' is FEMALE rather than, as the letter states, WOMEN? (The term for non-adult female is girl. 17.66% of total population is aged 0-14. So WOMEN (adult human females) probably account for around 42 or 43 per cent.)

Faffertea · 26/02/2023 09:01

Signed with name and professional role. Shared with medic friends too.

frazzled1 · 26/02/2023 09:07

Bumping & signed. Really well worded letter.

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 26/02/2023 09:43

Signed.

Florissant · 26/02/2023 09:47

Signed.

PlayerOneNotReady · 26/02/2023 09:59

Thanks OP. Signed

ChungusBoi · 26/02/2023 10:08

Great letter, have signed as a professional and patient.

Londonnight · 26/02/2023 10:10

Signed

7Worfs · 26/02/2023 10:26

Excellent letter, signed.

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