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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Letter stressing the importance of the word woman in NHS communications

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2Rebecca · 24/02/2023 17:31

Apologies if posted before. I couldn't see a post on it. Yesterday the Clinical Advisory Network on sex and Gender CAN-SG which I am involved in published an open letter to NHS chiefs in the UK stressing the reasons why the word woman should be retained in NHS campaigns and literature.
The letter is here can-sg.org/2023/02/23/open-letter-to-nhs-chiefs-the-importance-of-the-word-woman/ if anyone wants to see it

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roarfeckingroarr · 26/02/2023 10:40

I love that they point out how "men" hasn't been taken out of correspondence aimed at men, proving it's ideological.

WhyIsBogdanSexy · 26/02/2023 11:14

I love that they point out how "men" hasn't been taken out of correspondence aimed at men, proving it's ideological

I just hope the response is not a race to the bottom where the word man is then removed, making their advice equally as nonsensical and potentially putting more lives at risk.

cosmiccosmos · 26/02/2023 11:25

Signed, thank you

ArabellaScott · 26/02/2023 19:17

Bumping this - over 4,000 signatures on this letter, the organisers are hoping to hit 5,000 before they submit it on Wednesday. Please share!

HandShoe · 26/02/2023 19:29

Signed. Thanks OP

Namechangetimesigh · 26/02/2023 19:49

For the last 10 years I've been a person-without-ovaries, but I'm pretty sure my chromosomes (and most associated heath risks) didn't change when they came out 🤦

IcakethereforeIam · 26/02/2023 20:28

I suspect most people who have signed this letter will also have signed the Equality Act petition, but jic

Please consider following the link below to sign and share, we need to get to 100k by 20th April.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard/4722618-petition-to-update-the-equality-act-thread-2?page=26&reply=124224232

Somanyquestionstoaskaboutthis · 26/02/2023 21:02

Signed. Thank you, it’s an excellent letter and I struggle to see how the NHS bods can argue with anything in it.

gwrachod · 26/02/2023 22:19

Signed and shared - thanks!

Moomoola · 26/02/2023 22:24

roarfeckingroarr · 26/02/2023 10:40

I love that they point out how "men" hasn't been taken out of correspondence aimed at men, proving it's ideological.

Yes, this.
signed, thank you for this.

SwordToFlamethrower · 27/02/2023 08:38

Great letter!

I want to add that I was pregnant recently, my first time pregnant was 20 years ago and I recall being referred to as a mother while pregnant and in labour and then again on the post natal ward.

I never heard midwives use the word mother even once.

I am aware that midwives have been instructed not to use "mother" in case it offends.

Giggorata · 27/02/2023 08:57

Thank you for this excellent letter.
I have signed as a retired professional.

FannyCann · 03/03/2023 08:16

Is the letter being sent to Health Education England? They are delivering a stream of webinars/training on inclusive language and related topics which my hospital is lapping up.

twitter.com/nhs_healthedeng/status/1630631475774210048?s=46&t=VbXAeQjIZ-uhLquoQ0ovzA

Letter stressing the importance of the word woman in NHS communications
BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 03/03/2023 08:47

I would be very interested to see the content of their intersex awareness campaign.

FannyCann · 03/03/2023 09:14

And the Asexual Pride Hmm

dimorphism · 03/03/2023 09:16

SwordToFlamethrower · 27/02/2023 08:38

Great letter!

I want to add that I was pregnant recently, my first time pregnant was 20 years ago and I recall being referred to as a mother while pregnant and in labour and then again on the post natal ward.

I never heard midwives use the word mother even once.

I am aware that midwives have been instructed not to use "mother" in case it offends.

It never seems to cross anyone's mind that NOT using the word 'mother' can be incredibly offensive.

I suffered from infertility and miscarriage and being called mother was really important to me when I finally had my miracle baby. It helped heal a deep grief and was extremely important to me in my new 'identity' (and reality) as a mother.

LavenderHillMob · 03/03/2023 10:05

That's an important point dimorphism. And one that is often overlooked.

ReadersD1gest · 03/03/2023 13:34

FannyCann · 03/03/2023 08:16

Is the letter being sent to Health Education England? They are delivering a stream of webinars/training on inclusive language and related topics which my hospital is lapping up.

twitter.com/nhs_healthedeng/status/1630631475774210048?s=46&t=VbXAeQjIZ-uhLquoQ0ovzA

Safe spaces? Ally guides? 😵‍💫
And fucking intersex again. Why?

Tygertiger · 04/03/2023 09:31

dimorphism · 03/03/2023 09:16

It never seems to cross anyone's mind that NOT using the word 'mother' can be incredibly offensive.

I suffered from infertility and miscarriage and being called mother was really important to me when I finally had my miracle baby. It helped heal a deep grief and was extremely important to me in my new 'identity' (and reality) as a mother.

Yes. I was so upset by a post from a charity, possibly Tommy’s, which referred to the importance of miscarriage support for “birthing parents”. I was not the “birthing parent” of the baby I lost. I was his mother.

hryllilegur · 04/03/2023 09:45

I have a real problem with this concept of allies. Why are we framing inclusion through the language of war?

The idea that there are (morally weighted) sides is the least inclusive thing I can imagine. And absolutely shuts down any possibility of diversity.

nilsmousehammer · 04/03/2023 09:55

hryllilegur · 04/03/2023 09:45

I have a real problem with this concept of allies. Why are we framing inclusion through the language of war?

The idea that there are (morally weighted) sides is the least inclusive thing I can imagine. And absolutely shuts down any possibility of diversity.

Totally. I can't stand the term. Dramatic, silly and unhelpful.

In fact looking at the theme across a number of threads today, the general need appears to be for society to do some growing up and engaging of brain instead of mindlessly integrating whatever new term, fad or idea is dangled in front of them.

Flowersandbutterflies · 04/03/2023 10:14

Fantastic letter. A model for all those protesting the removal of the words woman/women/female from health-related communication.

hryllilegur · 04/03/2023 10:14

nilsmousehammer · 04/03/2023 09:55

Totally. I can't stand the term. Dramatic, silly and unhelpful.

In fact looking at the theme across a number of threads today, the general need appears to be for society to do some growing up and engaging of brain instead of mindlessly integrating whatever new term, fad or idea is dangled in front of them.

I think you are absolutely right.

Stopping to think about the implications of terms and particularly in importing them from one context to another seems to be unpopular.

I often find myself amazed at how any suggestion of thinking about things or questioning things is framed as ‘hatred’ and ‘bigotry’ these days.

It’s a great way of shutting down debate. People are so worried they’ll be ostracised they won’t question anything at all.

FannyCann · 04/03/2023 11:51

I think the promotion of "allies" is a mixture of forced teaming and providing a hand hold for those delicate ones who are unable to bring their support dig, their mother and their best friend to work with them.

nilsmousehammer · 04/03/2023 11:58

It's playground games of 'be in my gang'. where you will definitely be the back up, the cannon fodder and the unpaid enablers, shitwork providers and PAs for the VIPs

No. I'm not bloody twelve any more.

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