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The "public" didn't like the misgendering of Sam Smith

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mumda · 24/02/2023 09:41

@hayleywjourno tweeted: "Not Bob Geldof repeatedly misgendering Sam Smith on live telly and Holly and Phil not correcting him…" @ellsworthy replied: "Ugh. It's so easy not to do." But @petewo89 argued: "Probably was he/him when working with Bob. It's not like he's doing it maliciously."

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/tv/itv-morning-viewers-disappointed-holly-26301863

Yes someone with journo in their twitter handle sounds so like a member of the public.

OP posts:
ReunitedThorns · 24/02/2023 11:20

Just recently received an email about Sam Smith at a high-fashion menswear show promoting "masculine codes".

So he's very happy being a man when it's beneficial to him.

Doyoumind · 24/02/2023 11:21

95% of MEN online output is clickbait. They will make a story out of anything.

ResisterRex · 24/02/2023 11:25

Pronouns are more important than Ebola of course.

Always4Brenner · 24/02/2023 11:27

Youpillock · 24/02/2023 09:52

Just for clarity, this member of the public couldn't give a shiney shite about misgendering Sam Smith.

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻I said this on twitter I don’t care people are freezing dying cold. Wars going on.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 24/02/2023 11:28

Moved to the naughty corner!

I can't tell the difference between Sam Smith and the other one with an 's' in the name.

GoodChat · 24/02/2023 11:36

Doyoumind · 24/02/2023 11:21

95% of MEN online output is clickbait. They will make a story out of anything.

Lol I thought you just meant men, not the Manchester Evening News Grin

nilsmousehammer · 24/02/2023 11:41

It's becoming quite a 'thing': genderists identifying as 'the public' or 'most people' saying or believing things, whether or not any actual evidence exists.

It ends up sounding rather like 'but Daddy said' when mummy isn't forthcoming with whatever is being wangled for. But yes. Can we have a referendum on all this please? Pronouns, men in women's prisons, re defining of women to a mixed sex group, end of female only spaces, all the things that apparently only six socks mind about?

ReadersD1gest · 24/02/2023 11:43

nilsmousehammer · 24/02/2023 11:41

It's becoming quite a 'thing': genderists identifying as 'the public' or 'most people' saying or believing things, whether or not any actual evidence exists.

It ends up sounding rather like 'but Daddy said' when mummy isn't forthcoming with whatever is being wangled for. But yes. Can we have a referendum on all this please? Pronouns, men in women's prisons, re defining of women to a mixed sex group, end of female only spaces, all the things that apparently only six socks mind about?

Indeed.

yetanotherusernameAgain · 24/02/2023 11:52

SinnerBoy · 24/02/2023 10:48

Hang on, if he's non-binary, he's neither male nor female, so how can he have a gender and be "misgendered"?

Good question. Unless non-binary is a gender in itself, rather than the absence of gender?

So if you used the wrong pronouns for a non-binary person, that would be mis-gendering. But if they were without a gender (agender?) you'd have 'gendered' them?

ReadersD1gest · 24/02/2023 12:03

yetanotherusernameAgain · 24/02/2023 11:52

Good question. Unless non-binary is a gender in itself, rather than the absence of gender?

So if you used the wrong pronouns for a non-binary person, that would be mis-gendering. But if they were without a gender (agender?) you'd have 'gendered' them?

Impose a gender on someone who's admitted gender is a load of bollocks 😁 too special to have one at all?
It's getting evermore surreal with the constant striving to be even more special than the rest of the special ones.

Wanderingowl · 24/02/2023 12:11

As a member of the public, what I didn't like, was that yesterday I heard on the radio that Sam Smith is going to be in the second season of And Just Like That. Season one, we got the tedious Che Diaz, who the audience hated. So for the new season, the producers have obviously decided to make the audience like her by casting an even more annoying non-binary to make her look great in comparison.

JellySaurus · 24/02/2023 12:23

For a person who does not believe in gender ideology, refusing to use sex-inaccurate pronouns to refer to people, is like a non-Muslim refusing to say 'peace be upon him' when referring to Mohammed.

DdraigGoch · 24/02/2023 12:41

Squiblet · 24/02/2023 09:56

So ... journalists aren't people, then?

This particular one works for the owning group of that very newspaper. I mean, imagine if the Daily Mail reported "public unimpressed by Mick Lynch" on the basis of little more than a tweet by Paul Dacre. It's hardly journalism, is it?

ErrolTheDragon · 24/02/2023 13:44

Helleofabore · 24/02/2023 11:07

Why has this one been moved? It is about Sam Smith? This is not a feminism issue!

Sorry OP I am not questioning you! I am questioning MNHQ though.

I'd have said it was mostly about the low standards of some 'journalism'.

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 24/02/2023 14:32

On the strength of posts from two members of the Dragonese public, DdraigGoch and ErrolTheDragon, I am going to declare that dragons everywhere are unimpressed by Sam Smith in any capacity.

ErrolTheDragon · 24/02/2023 14:58

Dragons are also unimpressed by this example of 'journalism'.

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 24/02/2023 15:06

The Draconic public abhors the state of Mancunian media today, and the MEN knows it's true, if it's seen two say so!

JellySaurus · 24/02/2023 15:12

The dinosaurs have been promoted to dragons 🐉

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 24/02/2023 15:13

ErrolTheDragon · 24/02/2023 09:59

I wonder if this journo would like to comment on what 'members of the public' think of Smith 'correcting' the word 'fisherman' to 'fisherthem'?Grin

That is stupidly grammatically incorrect of Sam. It should be fisherperson, anyone knows that! Even the cast of Fisherpeoples' Friends.

purpledalmation · 24/02/2023 15:22

This particular public doesn't give a flying fuck about the pretentious twat.

Always4Brenner · 24/02/2023 15:32

purpledalmation · 24/02/2023 15:22

This particular public doesn't give a flying fuck about the pretentious twat.

From the naughty corner 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

SinnerBoy · 24/02/2023 15:38

yetanotherusernameAgain · Today 11:52

Good question. Unless non-binary is a gender in itself, rather than the absence of gender?

Oh goodness, what a kerfuffle. Something is leaking out of my ear - I think it's brain.

Helleofabore · 24/02/2023 17:52

ErrolTheDragon · 24/02/2023 13:44

I'd have said it was mostly about the low standards of some 'journalism'.

Yes. Or about how little the public care about some celebrity that some people think has talent that other people think the celebrity lacks.

Either works maybe.

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