Why aren't more woman (and men) worried about

[GiveMeStrengthNow]

trans women and men self identifying part time or full time as trans women and this:

reduxx.info/scotland-crossdressing-butcher-arrested-in-case-of-missing-child/

reduxx.info/uk-man-who-identified-himself-as-female-sentenced-after-sexually-assaulting-woman-in-train-station-bathroom/

reduxx.info/trans-artist-with-diaper-fetish-to-host-family-event-at-sheffield-central-library/

reduxx.info/suspect-arrested-after-making-bomb-threats-reported-as-intersexual-and-a-woman/

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-64729029

www.theguardian.com/society/2018/oct/11/karen-white-how-manipulative-and-controlling-offender-attacked-again-transgender-prison

Why do women have to move over for men who identify as women? Why are women's concerns thrown to the side to ensure the concerns of men who identify as woman are concerned first?

Why aren't more women (and men) worried that woman are being told to step aside to consider men that want to be or identify as women as more important?

men who identify as women have their concerns 'considered' first not 'concerned' first.....

I don't get why woman have been and are constantly being told to:

Step aside for men that will be women/want to be women.

Be kind to men that want to be women. Who is kind the woman who have to make way for the men to women.

Give up rights/safe spaces for men to women.

Change how you identify to cis from women to make trans women feel more included.

Accept the changes in language to make men to women or women to men feel better about themselves - people who menstruate, people with uteruses, people who bleed, ----

Why do women have to keep on giving/moving aside/making way and if we don;t then we are unkind, transphobes or terfs - WHY do women accept this?

I genuinely don't get why women are always considered after everyone else and many women just accept it, it's the way it's always been.

I posted just a smattering of concerns around men who identify as women. Not all men who identify as women will commit serious crimes but by making women give up rights and safe spaces and changing language then the predator males can walk right in with approval.

Why should a rapist be allowed to insist that HIS victims/their barristers have to address HIM as she - she raped me with her penis. Why? It's wrong and further abuse of those women. So why does what a man who is a trans woman trump the women victims? Is it because at the root of this women don't matter?

Plenty of people are concerned about it all

May I respectfully suggest 2 things:

• signing the current parliamentary petition requesting the Equality Act clarifies sex means biological sex.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard/4722618-petition-to-update-the-equality-act-thread-2?page=5&reply=123884667

• check out the Feminism: Sex & gender discussions board there are a lot of us who agree.

Some on MN and others are started to attend the talks, join online protests and speaking up but nowhere near enough.

Why aren't more women concerned? Why are many/most women not aware of this or act as handmaidens? I have tried to chat to some about concerns around safe spaces and many give the 'but trans women are vulnerable" completely ignoring the fact that WOMEN are vulnerable. Woman are brought up to be thoughtful, kind, considerate and make way for others and so many do so to the detriment of women generally.

Why is the man who says he now thinks he is a woman more important to safeguard than actual women? Why does what he/she think count for more?

Plenty of people are VERY concerned.

It’s starting to get a lot more light shine on the issue now and that’s a good thing (see Sturgeons shock exit from the SNP and UK parliament stepping in to put a stop to Scotlands self-ID proposal which contravened the sex equality act.)

Thank you. I have done both.

I have woken up. I was a woman sleepwalking around. I did the poor trans women thing, what harm is there, do want they want, make way for them and didn't really THINK about the actual impact on women - all woman but particularly vulnerable women.

I now want to shout out loud - what about women. I now say NO.

I agree. That really opened people's eyes. A couple of my friends have now started to chat about this issue.

But I agree with you - I have no respect for anyone who thinks TWAW or I pity their ignorance and naivety.

What is a reduxx link?

Try living in Scotland, women are very worried about it

For anyone who thinks biological sex matters - have a look at the petition:

To sign and share the petition to update the Equality Act to make clear the characteristic ‘sex ‘ in the Equality Act is biological, not sex as modified by a GRC,
⬇️
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/623243

I was ignorant and naïve. I now understand (a bit) and I am concerned.

I now know what some women were shouting about.

I stand with women and high profile women such as JKR who stand for woman and sex based rights/protections.

My local Green Party knocked on my door last week. I told them I couldn’t vote for a party that thought TWAW. He told me that the rate of trans murders was growing faster than the rate of murdered women. Rate being the important word. I chased him off my doorstep.

Wow that one about the Sheffield library 'artist' 😳.

I think we are starting to see a shift but only very slightly. We just have to keep shouting about this stuff.

The issue is that you’re asking the wrong question.

Why do women have to move over for men who identify as women? Why are women's concerns thrown to the side to ensure the concerns of men who identify as woman are concerned first?

They aren’t “men who identify as women”. They’re men who are pretending to identify as women in order to prey on women and children, to commit crimes, to access lighter sentencing and safer prisons. More often than not, they stop (pretending to) identifying as women when they’re released from prison.

You know which demographics are most hurt by this behaviour. Women and genuine trans people.

@saturdaymorningbored

Why do you think the Scottish MP's voted for. It almost like it is looked at from the wrong perspective - consider the tiny number of men to women and ignore the large number of concerns of biological women. Why can't men make way for men who want to identify as women - give them a safe space in a separate wing of a male prison and not pop them in with women. Why should women move aside for men whether intact or not. It appears to be men first, then men who say they feel they are women and then women last.

Women are genuinely worried about this trend! The vast majority of normal people know that this ideology threatens the dignity and safety of women and girls.
I personally, don’t want to share ANY private spaces with a men nor do I want men taking valuable spaces from women in sports!
I stand with JK Rowling and Sharron Davies.

So how do you identify which is a genuine man who identifies as a trans woman and one that is just pretending to be a trans woman..... if the mantra is trans women are women and anyone who identifies as a trans woman must be treated as one? If a man self ID's as a woman and we are told to respect that gender chose then it is impossible to decide who is real and who is not - is that not so? Is there a magic sign that gives it away.

I agree now.

I also stand with them and I am spreading the word to my friends and colleagues and hope that in time we will be listened to. Currently the TRA have driven the way and taken from women. I believe that people are starting to see reality and will push back against this ideology.

Also, I am a huge advocate for women and have been following this trans issue for years and I can confidently say that there is a huge shift in public opinion. Women are being silenced and erased which the media and social media are picking up on. More and more attention is being given to assaults on women by men in their own safe spaces! This ideology is starting to lose support and fail publicly. Look at Sturgeon!!

Because Patrick Harvey has Nicola Sturgeon in his pocket. She needs him more than he needs her.
Unfortunately it doesn't look like it will change with the new FM either.
This has been a huge topic in Scotland, highlighted even more with Isla Bryson, and Nicola Sturgeon being unable to clarify what a woman is. Absolute shit show up here just now

I know - who actually thinks that is ok. What's next? If we tolerate this then our children will be next - going by the library artist. The one that was using a trans woman identity and took a child. Any pervert/rapist could easily use the trans women are woman and self identify to access safe spaces for women and children.

And that’s the crux of the issue. You’ve struck the exact problem. Personally, I think it has to be determined on a circumstantial basis. Ultimately, it won’t always be possible to get right. It’s the same as being able to tell which men are becoming gynaecologists or midwives or primary school teachers to prey on women/children and which are genuinely doing what they want to do with kind and positive motivation. But the answer isn’t to tar all with the same brush and ban everyone from that. As situations develop, red flags will become clearer and it’ll be easier to manage. At the very least, in my opinion, I think criminals should be tried and housed in prison based on how they identified at the time of the crime rather than at the time of the trial.

Thankfully and thanks to the women leading the way forward.

A long way to go yet though.