I live in Rosie Duffields constituency. Just had local election door knock from labour party

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He asked what my main concerns were. I said my main issue was that i stood with Rosie and felt that Labour, as a party, from the top down, did not offer her enough support. And my main concern was womens safe spaces.

Man said, well, this is local elections and not about that, and that issue is more complicated than you think. What are your concerns, locally?

I said the local council is involved in issues to do with womens safe spaces. Like the womens refuges, the womans changing room at the local pool, etc. All spaces where biological men should not have access and that womens safe spaces was my main concern.

There followed a debate. And his stance is that its not that simple, i am being brainwashed by the right wing media, and that Rosie is in fact, (drumroll please...), mainly being supported by American right wing anti abortion groups.

Arrrrrghhhhhh. So that is where my local labour door knockers are at. Saying Rosies main core of support is American right wing anti abortion groups and i am being fooled by them. Silly, foolish, female me.

The woman said a viable solution would be for safeguarding checks to be carried out on members to ensure women feel safe using female-only facilities.

But added: "I think it should come down to biology - if you have male biology you use the male changing rooms and female biology use female rooms."

Bit wild calling for genital inspections isn’t it?

That’s a bit rude, I don’t think @PopGoesTheProsecco is a “knob”. I disagree with them, but they’re not a knob.

Males should not be in female safe spaces. Full stop.

People should not be required to show their genitalia before they enter a space. That’s completely inappropriate.

Absolutely. Nor in women's sports, they already dominate sports in general. They're so greedy and entitled that they can't even leave women their pitifully underfunded sporting events. Wankers.

The only people showing their genitalia in public are generally pervy men. Again, wankers.

In the University of East Anglia case, no inspection was required - he was flashing his penis. He was male.

Do you really think that’s acceptable?

Could have used a cubicle but CHOSE to get his penis out in a communal FEMALE area.

Is ijclark a bot? Seems to be making up an imaginary conversation

No - definitely not a bot.

Nah, it's just TRA bingo.

It's all so blatant. And when this house of cards falls apart. As it's already starting to do, one consolation is that there is so much evidence of the bullying, the cheating, the threats and the sex denial bullshit.
Political parties are going to have to consider how they stop themselves being infiltrated by cultists. It would have been unthinkable in the past for an 'alleged' Labour canvasser to brief against their own sitting candidate using a mix of misdirection and outright lies.

If it’s true they were “flashing their penis” then of course it’s unacceptable. But let’s not forget here that men have been able to walk into women’s changing rooms since the year dot. Not sure why now all of a sudden we need to introduce genital inspections. Other than to give a pervs a job of course.

Wait until you hear about what happens in 2017 and 2019. It’ll blow your mind.

Well done OP. What an unpleasant man than canvesser was. He'd obviously been brainwashed to say that particular phrase, they just can't help giving themselves away.

Genital inspections 😂. I think both sexes can identify whether a person is male or female pretty quickly on meeting them, regardless of how they identify or what they are wearing.

@ijclark Think of the mental health of a female student (who may have been raped or sexually assaulted) being alone in a female designated changing room but being faced with a penis. That’s scary.

Sorry, you don’t understand.

It's good that more people are becoming aware of the bingo and the issues.
My friend's teen was saying they're all talking about it in school. The men in women's prisons - and the politicians pretending they didn't know the sex of the rapist - peaked their entire year group.

Point me to a post where anyone said that.

You claim that the Tories are racist, and yet they have a prime minister, home secretary, business secretary, and previously three chancellors, who are more diverse than any such office holders under Labour. (The LP hasn't even managed to elect a female leader yet, FFS.) FWIW, I would never vote Tory.

One violent man off to prison in wig and pink leggings seems to have done more for gender realism than years of women's reasoned arguments .

Why is it so difficult to be heard.

They know which sex they are and should use the facilities provided for that sex. And sex, not gender.

But still a male with a fully functioning penis. Yes. Let’s put hIm in a female prison because he might be at risk in a male prison. Much better to put the male offender in a female jail.

ijclark · Yesterday 23:08

Wild how quickly this thread descended into “I believe in feminism, but not for women of colour

Has it? Has it really? Your Big Ladybird Book of TRA Zealot Arguments is obviously missing the page where you're instructed to misconstrue someone's words.

You're not supposed to just make things up, are you?

By the way, I am astounded that three incidents of Nazis invading a library hasn't even made the local free sheets. Is it a tripartite conspiracy of the Tories, Mail-Telegraph and Fake Feminists?

We need to know!

I don't think that MPs are equipped to deal with library invasions ! That would be a police matter.

Sorry haven't had time to read all comments since I first saw OP's thread earlier today.

What I dont understand is how totally unprofessional, or rather how lazy they are about their politics.

There was Angela Raynor being interviewed by the Sunday Times, (NB the paper isn't the Guardian) and says she is surprised to be asked about trans women.

Now some local canvasser, who must live on twitter, thinks spotting totally unveriviable remarks in response to a query from a potential voter, and patronising her is going to help them win the election. And given whose constituency it is, what planet are they living on? And of course showing disrespect of her opinions, just a silly woman fallen victim to right wing propoganda.

So its not only not trusting them to support women's rights, but knowing they dont think they have to think, or check facts, or at least do a brief scan of newspaper reports.

At least, based on a reply said to be from Keir Starmer / his office, there was some sort of attempt to see it would all be alright, they support safe spaces (this is Labour euphamism for single sex spaces at it means they dont have to use the word sex), etc..

Doesn't Labour central or whatever send out guidelines saying dont get into an arguement just make soothing noises.

Its not only that it makes Labour look totally uncordinated, but maybe worse, thinking everyone hates the Tories so much, we can just say anything, and we will still win.

This is really frightening. We have had the Tories running the country not for the country, but to score points against different groupings in the Tory party, and then we are going to get Labour who think running round saying we aren't Corbyn is what will win them the vote. ie they dont care about us, they just dont want the press to pull them apart.

And without wanting to derail this thread, but the decision about Shamima Begum earlier today effectively said that in legal terms she shouldn't have lost her citizenship, but the relevant cabinet member(s) could take a "political" decision to do that. It may seem far fetched but with Labour in power, and only England among the UK nations holding out against self id, who knows how many of us in the future could be deemed unworthy of citizenship for not toeing the trans line. And with young male idiots like the canvasser who patronised the OP, you can just see how things could get out of control.

(Please, please if anyone wants to discuss the Shamima Begum decision why not start a new thread. I would hate to be the cause of this one being derailed. I am really fearful that UK politics is now in the hands of immature school boys, and find it really frightening.)