Anyone else hearing of backlash against trans ideology among their teens?

[KnittingDiva]

My 14 year old DS has been telling me that among his age group now there is no tolerance for Trans/NB TikTok influencers and that they are being ridiculed etc..

This is a very different attitude than when my older two (17 and 19) were at that age and it was the start of that trend and they would have been overtly respectful on that issue (would have avoided it mostly but not ridicule).

It seems it is now seen as being an 'older' person trying to be cool with the kids and a bit creepy.

Anyone else noticed this change or is it just here (Rep of Ireland)?

This is all so heartening to read. I wonder though what's happening away from Terf Island though? I noted a couple of examples from Ireland and the Netherlands on this thread. Any thoughts from other really captured places - eg. Canada, or liberal parts of the USA?

I agree with this.

Just saw this, from the youth group of this Dutch political party:

twitter.com/adriaanjelle/status/1627289703350165504

'Dutch political party @D66's youth organization, @JongeDemocraten
, states that

• "Pedophilia is a sexual orientation, which one is born with"
• "Pedophiles have a higher chance of depression"

and that

• "Schools should teach about pedophilia as a sexual orientation".'

DS(20) was always sceptical about the Trans thing. He said it seems to be the annoying attention seekers announcing that they’re trans. There weren’t that many at school, but he came across a few “they/thems” at Uni, although he isn’t friends with any.
DD(17) just eye rolls and thinks that these are uncool kids trying to be cool. I’m paraphrasing.

Things are very different in the US, from what I can glean from friends there. One gay male friend in CA has a DS and a DD and the girl, who is now 15, is trans. She has a name that could either male or female, so didn't need to change it, but lives as a boy and our friend is completely accepting, and told us it's commonplace where they live.

Another friend in NJ has a DD who came out as non-binary a couple of years ago. She is also now 15 and was, for a time, binding her breasts and went by an confusing array of she/he/they pronouns. Friend is an artist and was totally on board with it all, referring to her DD by her new boy name and as 'they', which I found utterly confusing when speaking to her as 'they' to me is generally a plural pronoun, so I kept thinking she was referring to her DD + someone else, but of course she wasn't. Our friendship has, unsurprisingly, drifted so I'm not sure what's going on now, but last time we spoke she'd got her DD into sports bras, rather than binders, and seemed happy about that. However, she called my views 'toxic and cis-gendered' on one occasion, so who knows?

Let’s hope that these groups decide to campaign loudly and proudly for this stuff.

The public need to hear this stuff. They need to know that presenting pedophiles as poor victims of unacceptable society and teaching acceptance of pedophilia in schools is actually the aim for these people.

It’s much better when they come straight out and tell everyone what their goals and values are.

That way they can be held to account.

All my teens (18, 15, 12) roll their eyes when anyone mentions trans, rainbows or pronouns.

Completely agree. It’s more than just the bearded women, they may also be sterilised or mutilated. The whole thing is a ticking time bomb.

As a PP said, nothing kills a trend like 'old' people being into it. When you're 13, that's anyone older than about 21! Some of the early adopters I've known in the whole NB/trans thing are now in their mid-20s so yes, they're seen as old.

I've always hoped that there was going to be an element of the relevant age group "growing out of it", like being an emo or a goth no longer being cool (not that there was ever anything wrong with being a goth <remembers own teenhood>). Seems like that's starting to happen, but I do feel a bit sorry for the kids who went with a new trend and now find themselves laughed at as "blue haired anime attention seekers". I mean, I wouldn't disagree with that description but to go from "pandered to" to "laughed at" isn't going to be a pleasant experience.

It’s so good to read that the tide may finally be turning in younger attitudes, but like others I have concern for those (mostly young women ) who may have experienced irreparable damage to their bodies.

There is irreparable damage elsewhere too - safeguarding, language, policies etc and the cost of this sociological madness is far reachIng. I’d love to be around in @50 years time to see this period described in history ( but sadly doubt I will!)

The unfortunate outcome for the more vulnerable children (and the ones I work with are very much from the lower class cohort) are that just as another poster says their son views this, 'the non cool kids trying to be cool'

This is a huge part of it for children with ASD or who have been previously abused or suffered trauma. They dont feel they fit in, they dont like their physicality or what it reminds them of, they dont understand their physicality or the feelings it gives them, they dont acknowledge or feel comfortable with their development or identify with other kids.

So the trans ideology and identity is very attractive to them, it feels initially like it makes sense to them, gives them a 'specialness' which means the can maintain their 'difference' and awkwardness but be sort of validated for it or rewarded

And society, rather than support those feelings or treat MH issues or treat emotional welbeing issues has just thrown these children into this by instantly validating, not questioning, allowing them to be both oppressor (which feels powerful) and the oppressed (which means lots of sympathy), its a powerful combination.

Things are very different in the US
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This is what worries me. The gender-woo came from the US, and I don't think it will go away until it stops being cool in the US as well - as the US is so culturally dominant. It sounds like it's not there yet. Maybe give it another year? Perhaps now the New York Times is starting to report a diversity of views, things might start to shift? (Not that teens read that paper, probably)
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Children in the care of the state were one of the first cohorts targeted by trans activists. There are a number of groups and individuals who made a beeline for children's homes, groups of children, foster carers etc with "training" and "policy development"
These children - adrift from their families and trying to make sense of their lives had few resources with which to defend themselves against the idea of "re creation" and "fixing a flawed body". Hence the over representation of this group in the data.

Well luckily the OP didn’t say her teens were ridiculing them online.
However, some of the ‘influencers’ are ridiculing their viewers with their absolute nonsense, not forgetting their very dodgy invitations to “get in touch”.

@RoyalCorgi god i hope goth is the next trend. Badly died hair and a stupid haircut can be grown out and the only lasting damage are notebooks (or probably tumblr posts) of embarrassingly bad poetry.

I don't know how you tell as I have three DC two school years apart.

Older two at 14 looked really skeptical - it was push via schools - we're in wales in a deprived area- then that slowly changed and when I hear an occasional comment that gives me hope they are thinking it through - it springs back pretty quickly.

DD2 is currently 14 and about it all - but she said something Ds would have said 12 months ago and he bit her head off about it.

It's still a worry DD1 is bi and has a very nice girlfriend - may be ND - and fingers crossed will head of to uni next year and I worry about LGBT groups which she may look to join influence on her - I worry about DS also likely ND and looking to go into an IT.

I think they may be being kind and parroting their social groups take but it is really hard to get a read on their actual views. Older two changed from it's the kids who want drama to be kind stance to it's life now deal and remember people's pronouns.

DN in England similar age was lesbian at one point now has a boy friend - and her group is apparently more eye rolly.

Thats not my experience and I work with this cohort. Most trans children in care come from parents who push the narrative, its part of the emotional abuse/neglect the child is experiencing.

I wouldnt go as far as fabricated induced illness but much of the dynamic from these parents has that flavour.

The other side of it is that a large proportion of children in care have a number of coexisting ND diagnoses and have abusive and trauma experiences. So their exposure to it whether from their families or outside of that makes them ripe for grooming.

I was curious about the periods thing, apparently some trans women claim to suffer many of the symptoms post-hormone treatment.

This article seems to be the source of a lot of it.

"Transgender women may experience physical, emotional, and psychological symptoms similar to those of PMS if they use hormone therapy. Hormone therapy can have multiple side effects, such as breast tenderness and rapid changes in mood.

People can track their symptoms in a variety of ways. Doing this may help them recognize when certain symptoms are unusual for them.

Taking this information to a healthcare professional may also make it easier for them to offer suitable treatment, if necessary.

I wonder if Isla Bryson suffers with her 'period'. I'm sure the prison will make suitable accommodations.

I know a teenage girl who is very good and kind and very much 'Trans Women Are Women' but they have recently turned one of the girls' toilets at her school into a mixed-sex one (they still have single sex options but now the girls have fewer facilities) and she says she and the other girls feel too uncomfortable to use it. Even the handful of girls who identify as boys continue to use the female-only facilities. There is also a boy in her year who now identifies as a girl. He does PE with the girls but uses a different changing area. Again the girls have said they are uncomfortable with this. It's a bit frustrating because the girls are inconvenienced and acknowledging discomfort but not quite at the point where they are questioning the ideology.

I work with a lot of teenagers and I see both tolerance and intolerance. I see them having a “live and let live attitude”, but then openly say things like, “but they aren’t a real wo/man, there is a big difference”.

I have 2 teens and they again are pretty chilled about things, and are live and let live. They do however come home from school and massively sound off about having LGBTQ+ rammed down their throats and dropped into every single lesson at school. Their words, not mine.

I think it’s becoming overkill and teens are tiring of a small minority taking up most of the platform.

I wonder if that is linked to support for SNP/ anti English sentiment.

I take it that poor Gizmo was exposed to trans ideology and the early episodes of Brookside.

My teenagers have zero patience with it all and think it’s all the self-absorbed specialtons (their word, not mine) who are into being alphabet people.

’Genderspecial’ has been heard amongst my eldest’s friendship group!

"As a PP said, nothing kills a trend like 'old' people being into it. When you're 13, that's anyone older than about 21! Some of the early adopters I've known in the whole NB/trans thing are now in their mid-20s so yes, they're seen as old."

@SidewaysOtter That's exactly what my ds was getting at. I think the prominent TicTokers such as Dylan Mulvaney have been the final straw for the younger teens.