Tw in Cornton Vale segregated because of 'her' safety

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This story is in the newspaper that carried the latest developments in the tw butcher case

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/trans-prisoner-moved-segregation-womens-29238406

Bloody hell another male sex offender banged up with women. Surely this can't be right 🤬

^A trans prisoner with a history of sex crimes against children has been moved into segregation in a women’s jail after word got out about her offences.
The Record can reveal that Harryetta Thompson, 33, was allowed to live among the female population of Scotland’s only all-female prison until threats were made against her this week. Registered sex offender Thompson, who has full male physiology...^

"Her" offences, FFS. And it's sod all to do with him being trans and everything to do with him being a paedophile in a women's prison.

My God how many TW sex offenders are there in Scotland?!?!

Statistically offending rates amongst TW must be extremely high.

Rainbowshit · Today 13:29

My God how many TW sex offenders are there in Scotland?!?! Statistically offending rates amongst TW must be extremely high.

It was discussed on MN recently, five times higher than the male population at large, according to the ONS; and almost 50% of those in prison are there for sex offences.

www.theguardian.com/society/2023/feb/17/transgender-prison-row-heightens-safety-fears-in-scotlands-lgbtq-community

Whine, whine, whine etc.

The furore surrounding the placement of transgender offenders in Scottish prisons has sharpened personal safety fears across Scotland’s LGBTQ+ community, the Guardian has been told.

No concrete examples, for some reason.

“I’ve heard from a lot of people who are very frightened,” said Jennie Kermode...

“I’ve had a number of people say they’ve had family members getting in touch to have fractious conversations,” Valentine added.

People are saying, I have heard .... straight out of the Donald Trump handbook.

In the BBC podcast Antisocial, there was an episode called Trans women and prisons www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001hp4k

At about 30 minutes in a researcher states "...at the latest count, 85 of the 168 transwomen in prisons in England and Wales are serving time for a sexual offense. So that's about 50%...'

The latest info is saying that 4our of five trans inmates in Scotland's only womens' prisons are murderers, which is just mind boggling.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/four-of-five-trans-inmates-in-womens-prisons-are-murderers-pbfvdqqft

This just gets worse and worse. …. for women!

Isn't it amazing how it's only ever a problem when people know about it .

YES this man should be safe in the prison system. NO he should not be in Cornton Vale with women prisoners, who are expected to accept the secondary punishment of his presence and being used as tools to meet his needs and wishes as part of their biological burden, on top of the punishment of imprisonment.

But they only ever find solutions that work for women too when the facts go public, the total unacceptability of it is exposed, and people kick off about it.

After which women get whinged at.

Not again, ffs!

I said this on a thread quite a while ago (before the whole Scottish debacle ].

Why would a male convicted of sex crimes, especially against children, who are notoriously badly treated in male prisons NOT become trans just to get moved to the women's prison ?

Well done to the women prisoners who refused to soldier.

Quite.

We'll keep this man's crimes secret, so the women have no fucking idea who they're locked in with.

Oops, the cat's out the bag, we'd better remove him pronto.

The misogyny is off the bloody scale.

nilsmousehammer · Today 13:51#

Well done to the women prisoners who refused to soldier.

Yes, it seems as though they were about to re-enact Diana and Actaeon.

Good question.

So much for the robust risk assessment.

Sometimes I wonder if the prison service (Scotland and everywhere else) are just pleased to be able to move some particularly difficult prisoners from the male estate to the female estate to make the jobs of male estate governors/wardens easier?

I know a few primary schools that are divided into infant and junior with separate leadership and separate budgets and obvs the challenges are really different.
So much of the infant resources are used up on learning independent toileting/basic behaviour/English as second language that SEN assessments often don’t take place until after the child moves onto the junior school.

I can imagine something similar happening in prisons, where the female estate is looked at as comparatively easier to manage, so sending a few murderers/rapists/paedos over just spreads the load a bit.

Obvs neither scenario is acceptable, but you can see how both could happen.

It's really quite alarming just how high the proportion of trans identifying males within the prison system are either (a) violent (b) sexual offenders or (c) both.

I wonder what the reason for that could be?

Also noteworthy just how many male supporters of trans ideology have a tendency to violence, threats of violence and how many males who are ardent supporters of trans ideology and mixed sexed spaces have ended up in prison for sexual offences.

Again, I wonder what the reason for this could be?

It's a real head scratcher.

So is this person the fifth TW in the female estate in Scotland? (I nearly said "fifth man", which had echoes of the Cambridge spy ring.)

Bang goes any hopes of finding that 'mild mannered accountant with a fraud conviction', then.

I'd think this makes it fairly clear that the only risk assessment or concern is always for the man in the situation.

What happens to the women is a part no one is interested in.

Nail on head as ever @nilsmousehammer .

If ever proof were needed that women are dispensable, third class objects to be used, abused and their feelings and well being discarded at will here it is.

This is ALL about men and ALL FOR men.

I'm fairly certain most lgb are worried about how many paedophiles are trying to get to women and children in their name. Not what the media is trying to portray as a mass pitchfork mob lumping all of them together....

Subtleties, Subtleties, nuances

Valentine said much of the current framing presented trans people as predators, regardless of the caveats employed. “There’s only so many times you can say ‘we don’t want to associate trans people with sex offenders’ when you’re only having conversations about trans rights in the context of sex offending.

So change the narrative. Stop trying to muscle into women's single sex spaces - which forces us to point out why we need them!

Trans rights should be about supporting Trans people to live with no obstacles put in their way due to being Trans, and also ensuring that concerns specific to Trans people (such as suitable medical care) is appropriately supported (balanced with the needs of other groups in society, eg for limited NHS resources). But recognising that sex is immutable and transwomen remain men, regardless of gender identity or hormones/surgery.

There is a huge conversation to be had about when sex genuinely matters vs when it doesn't matter. Then we can dismantle left-over gender stereotypes so that Trans people aren't unnecessarily restricted (ie unless the boundary is necessary to protect other people, or give other people fair access). That would also benefit other non-gender-conforming people (wouldn't that be great!). Pretending that sex never matters isn't helpful.

ALSO: fix the problem of men's violence against women and girls and sexual offending! AFTER you (men) have achieved that, we (women) can stop mentioning that as a reason we need single sex spaces. (although we'll still need them for sport, dignity, and occasionally to redress sexist barriers women face).

I actually worry about this focus on rapists and male murderers in women's prisons. Whilst it's so outrageous that it does make people sit up and take notice, it too easily leads to the compromise that convicted rapists and male murderers should be excluded, but other men still allowed in. Given that less than 1% of rapes are convicted, I don't think that's anything like good enough. There should be no males in women's prisons, regardless of their crime, whilst VAWG still exists.

Does anyone know when Harryetta (ffs) discovered his 'authentic self'? Is he an example of prison onset gender dysphoria? I can't remember if it said in the article.