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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

They is not very bright… is they?

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ColinRobinsonsFart · 16/02/2023 10:25

No shit Sherlock… emma says they are not getting any male acting roles….

www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-11756551/Emma-Corrin-reveals-love-play-male-roles.html

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Pixiedust1234 · 16/02/2023 10:43

The thing I've noticed about people being non binary...its all about how others view them. Its not about feelz but biology.

Based on this surely they should be joining the LGB group and getting away from the T 🤔😮

Abccde · 16/02/2023 10:46

All I can see os a female with short hair.

There is nothing unique there. There is nothing that I can see to suggest that some people might consider this person male.

And they aren't even claiming to be male? So why would they get male roles?

Make it make sense.

OrangeToothbrush · 16/02/2023 10:48

They added: 'The beauty of acting is taking on a character that doesn't necessarily have to be completely in tune with your own experience, it's sort of a way to explore."
Interesting the they/ thems of the world can express this rather obvious opinion without donning a hair shirt isn't it!

DameMaud · 16/02/2023 10:49

Isn't this (actors should be able to play parts outside of their lived experience) in direct contradiction to all the furore in recent years about actors needing to have lived experience to play roles eg.trans parts needing to be played by trans actors?
(Hurried type- sorry)

IcakethereforeIam · 16/02/2023 10:50

To be coherent shouldn't they be complaining about being offered female roles? They's NB fgs! Can't they see they pronouns?

Beamur · 16/02/2023 10:56

Maybe they should have a chat with Tilda Swinton?
There is a bit of dissonance around actors being able to 'act' and 'pretend' (borrowing from Sir Ian McKellen there) which seems to me to be the essence of what it's about and the argument about lived experience being required, which would probably render up very few (and not necessarily very interesting) roles for an actor.

SquirrelFan · 16/02/2023 11:27

@DameMaud exactly

Helleofabore · 16/02/2023 11:51

This actor wants more content about non-binary people….Unless it is an integral part of the storyline and adds something or accurately represents the the story, why? Does the public viewing audience want it or is it being driven by groups?

Tweaking storylines to suit a political agenda is now happening in so many shows, I suspect the viewing audiences will just drop away.

TeaMistress · 16/02/2023 11:54

There is something disturbing around the extent to which identity politics now saturates the world we live in. Its everywhere and I now actively refuse to watch / read / do business with anyone trying to shove a political agenda down my throat.

viques · 16/02/2023 11:59

If Emma think not being offered male roles as a binary person is tough I dread to think how hard life must be for actors who identify as furry animals. “ They keep offering me roles which are like basically lizards or fish, it’s so haaaaaard.”

Wellies54 · 16/02/2023 12:01

They're playing Orlando! What are they complaining about? I think lots of Shakespeare has been performed swapping some male and female characters because this is art - have they never heard of this? Or they could go and do a panto and be the prince. In the meantime, they will just get cast as a detective/superhero/love interest/cleaner/ teacher/doctor etc. but a female one, because they are female!

Twawmyarse2 · 16/02/2023 12:07

When will people like Emma realise that it doesn't matter how you feel? If it looks/walks/quacks like a duck - it's a duck. Why on earth would anyone consider her for a male role?

Stop asking other people to live in the fantasy world you inhabit.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 16/02/2023 12:10

Emma Corrin has a particular type of delicate female attractiveness which is a huge factor in the excellent roles Corrin has been lucky enough to get cast in. There are plenty of excellent women actors out there whose careers never get off the ground because their face doesn’t fit.
I think this is why I find Corrin’s denial of physical sex so annoying. I have met quite a few non binary teenagers who go to great lengths to avoid a feminine presentation because they are basically just doing their best to get the world to engage with them as a person rather than a girl. It’s not the way we went about it but it seems fair enough. I can’t see that in Corrin’s approach at all, I can’t really figure out what the goal is there other than attention.

ErrolTheDragon · 16/02/2023 12:14

In the meantime, they will just get cast as a detective/superhero/love interest/cleaner/ teacher/doctor etc. but a female one, because they are female!

Being gender critical, I wish it was possible to have more roles where the sex of the person genuinely didn't matter to the storyline or how the various characters interact - but at this point in our culture, it would be unlikely to ring true to life.

There are probably some roles which are or could be like this, aren't they the ones this person should go for rathe than wanting 'male' roles?

viques · 16/02/2023 12:14

Wellies54 · 16/02/2023 12:01

They're playing Orlando! What are they complaining about? I think lots of Shakespeare has been performed swapping some male and female characters because this is art - have they never heard of this? Or they could go and do a panto and be the prince. In the meantime, they will just get cast as a detective/superhero/love interest/cleaner/ teacher/doctor etc. but a female one, because they are female!

Exactly, I saw Tamsin Greig playing Malvolio at the National and it worked, because TG is a better actor than poor Emma can ever hope to be.

See this is the thing Emma, if producers and directors think you are good enough they will offer you the roles, but if they don’t, they won’t.

RoyalCorgi · 16/02/2023 12:18

Emma shouldn't be offered male roles because Emma is not male. On the same principle that only gay actors can play gay characters and only trans women can play trans women, Emma should only be offered non-binary roles because Emma is non-binary. It is surely very offensive to both men and women to suggest that a non-binary actor can play male or female characters.

ErrolTheDragon · 16/02/2023 12:22

Exactly, I saw Tamsin Greig playing Malvolio at the National and it worked

I saw that on NTlive or stage to screen, also Kathryn Hunter playing Timon of Athens - the latter really isn't a very 'gendered' role as far as I could see.

Actually, I'm struggling to think of any Shakespeare performance I've seen in ages where there wasn't some sort of 'gender swap' beyond what Shakespeare originally included anyway. It's almost become a cliche, the presenter on the stage to screen things always mentions it with that special twinkly 'ooh, aren't we groundbreaking' way which is quite funny.

Datun · 16/02/2023 12:22

RoyalCorgi · 16/02/2023 12:18

Emma shouldn't be offered male roles because Emma is not male. On the same principle that only gay actors can play gay characters and only trans women can play trans women, Emma should only be offered non-binary roles because Emma is non-binary. It is surely very offensive to both men and women to suggest that a non-binary actor can play male or female characters.

And they can't complain if a male or female with no identity whatsoever does play someone who is non binary. Or trans.

The whole thing is idiotic. She wants to look a bit androgynous? Go for it. No one cares

pizzaHeart · 16/02/2023 12:23

Emma Corrin has a particular type of delicate female attractiveness which is a huge factor in the excellent roles Corrin has been lucky enough to get cast in.
I agree with @TheCountessofFitzdotterel and also find Emma Corin’s claims annoying. It would be very superficial to offer Emma a male part unless it’s a very specific part.
That’s why I was never invited to play Diana - I don’t look the part . (not that I’m invited to anything at all)

PortiasBiscuit · 16/02/2023 12:26

It would be interesting to see non-binary/ trans people in roles where their gender wasn’t the entire plot though.
I think they may have a point.
They could be policemen or judges or crooks or shop keepers without it having to be remarked upon in the script.. why not?

Theeyeballsinthesky · 16/02/2023 12:33

god is this tedious over privileged pita still whanging on?

highame · 16/02/2023 12:39

Theeyeballsinthesky · 16/02/2023 12:33

god is this tedious over privileged pita still whanging on?

😂😂😂

viques · 16/02/2023 12:39

PortiasBiscuit · 16/02/2023 12:26

It would be interesting to see non-binary/ trans people in roles where their gender wasn’t the entire plot though.
I think they may have a point.
They could be policemen or judges or crooks or shop keepers without it having to be remarked upon in the script.. why not?

Even more interesting to see those roles offered to disabled actors, black actors, actors for whom English isn’t a first language , actors with strong regional accents and all the other actors whose lived experience is statistically more prevalent in society than non binary actors and yet whose presence on stage, in films and tv is noticeable by its absence.

ErrolTheDragon · 16/02/2023 12:42

PortiasBiscuit · 16/02/2023 12:26

It would be interesting to see non-binary/ trans people in roles where their gender wasn’t the entire plot though.
I think they may have a point.
They could be policemen or judges or crooks or shop keepers without it having to be remarked upon in the script.. why not?

There are examples - eg in the legal drama 'Goliath', there was a judge played by a TW, this was iirc not mentioned and irrelevant to the story - it was one of those cases where the sex of the actor really didn't matter.

Cocobutt · 16/02/2023 12:43

They went on to say that they would take on any part in a movie, whether it was a female, male or non-binary role, as long as it felt right for them.

AKA I’m desperate for work and will do anything.

I do think some roles don’t need a certain sex and I remember the uproar of the little mermaid being a black woman and so ‘non-binary’ roles would save so much hassle and people being offended.

But if I want a female character I am going to get a female, if I want a male I’ll get a male actor.

Just because she identifies as non-binary doesn’t take away from the fact that she is female and someone wanting a male actor isn’t going to cast her.