They is not very bright… is they?

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No shit Sherlock… emma says they are not getting any male acting roles….

www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-11756551/Emma-Corrin-reveals-love-play-male-roles.html

Non binary, oops

Weirdly I saw her walking her dog only this week (very cute lurcher type thing, the dog I mean, didn't check how it identified). As a dog lover, I did that thing of checking out the dog first, but then I noticed its owner as Corrin was exceptionally beautiful, far more so than on screen - admittedly a Lady Di cut flatters no one. They were willowy, exquisite posture, perfect elfin face.

What they weren't was male presenting

I do think super-beautiful people really ought to check their privilege. A young beautiful person, even if they're non-binary queer whatever, has doors opening for them. I feel the same about Meghan Markle a bit - like she's a glossy long-haired, skinny woman who fits Western ideals of beauty. I don't doubt that she's suffered racism, but in the lottery of life the beauty thing must be quite the ticket.

Alex Kingston is versatile and can act incredibly well.

We may have Emma's problem sussed.

And very beautiful women (maybe men too?) can get away with chatting so much more shit than non-beautiful women, and people just go dolally and lap it up, because they want to be in their presence. Then they start believing their own crap, which just encourages them to spout more of it..

Apologies if I've offended anyone beautiful.. it is something I have observed though.

Disclaimer..!! Lots of beautiful women talk lots of sense too!

How can you have a system where certain things are expected from men and other things from women (the retrogressive world view gender identity framework supports) and then have a group of people who declare that nothing whatsoever can be expected from them?

That they can use any toilet they wish at that moment, go into any changing room, apply to all set-aside scholarships for women, do sports in any category they wish, and then also have separate benefits earmarked for just them?

We are all going to be nonbinary in that world!

That might actually be a workable feminist future if sexism and misogyny would pay any heed to it.

In traditional societies with third genders the limitations on who was allowed to be a third gender (mostly only gay men) and what they were allowed to do were often very stringent, but this new version looks like nothing but rights without responsibilities.

It's other people who are loaded with those, honouring their pronouns being the least of those but the most irritating as a symbol.

This. A film or program should have actors that reflect the time/area that the film or program is about.

So if it’s a period drama of high society in England then that’s going to use a lot of white actors who can speak English clearly with an ‘affluent’ accent. But if it’s set in modern day London let’s have a good racial mix that reflects modern day London! Especially when you consider how many mixed nationalities there are in certain jobs (eg nursing - hospital scenes are often used in dramas).

I think this is already happening. People are just very turned off by artistic choices they suspect are political, even when the choice itself would be find on it's own terms. Things like obvious race switching for example - the actor might be great, but people resent their entertainment being used to, supposedly, make them more moral people somehow.

It reminds me a bit of going to a non-religious event at a church, but they sneakily try and slip a religious message in. I might like the event, I might even agree with the basic religious message, but I don't like being condescended to in that sneaky way.

I think there are a lot of roles like this. For example Gerri in Succession was originally written as a man, but they liked the actress so much they changed it.

But the thing is, once that actress is in that role, the sex of the character will almost always affect the way the role is written, because a person's sex affects so much about how they interact in the world. Like the weird thing Gerri has with Roman Roy - that simply would not have played out the same way with a male.

Sex is just too significant to human relations not to affect our lives, and so the same is true in fiction.

This is agree with but playing a male for the sake is ridiculous.

I wonder if in 10 years time she'll look back and cringe 🤣

If you want to be considered for a ‘male’ role, put some trousers on, duckie.

Film and TV - unless it's sci-fi - reflects reality.

Physically men do not look like Emma. This is kind of a problem for a looks based industry.

In terms of reflecting reality, it's also a bit of a non starter for a non-binary. If you want to go down the non-binary root, you also rule out anything period especially since there's no non-binaries over about 30. And even then there's very few contemporary non binaries in every day positions such as police, law, etc which are what so many dramas are based on. So in terms of reflecting reality, you are shit out of luck there too.

And I don't know that's going to change a huge deal tbh. Why? Because if you are non binary spouting nonsense and demanding loudly, it may not help to further your career. Especially if you are a non-binary of the female type. The other type of non-binary tends to do better at getting results from the foot stamping approach.

Maybe she should look for alternative careers as a fisherthem, a policethem or spacethem instead?

Lord almighty, do you have to be areabetweentheears challenged to be non-binary?

Specsavers really need to get in on the non binary market. It looks like a potential gold mine here.

Made me think about this thread!
www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/tom-conti-radio-4-just-now?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/tom-conti-radio-4-just-now?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share

Sorry. Link to start of thread here.

Film and TV - unless it's sci-fi - reflects reality.

Here's Morgan Freeman (as himself) playing a nonbinary remake of Quincy in the Kominsky Method. In an earlier scene the earnest young woman, a student of kominsky's, says something about whether the part should have gone to an NB actor. Kominsky says Leonard Nimoy nearly didn't get the role of Spock because he wasn't a real Vulcan. 'That was a joke... I think' iirc