Telegraph- Whenever people accuse JK Rowling of transphobia, they never quote a single word she’s said.

[MrsJackRackham]

www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/if-it-weren-t-for-jk-rowling-nicola-sturgeon-would-never-have-fallen/ar-AA17wXhl?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=fd3aec318b9242f0a6c57313e19331c3
Apologies if this has already been posted. Nice and succinct.

I was in one of those conversations yesterday.

JKR is a transphobic bigot.

Why do you think that?

Things she's said.

What things?

Bad ones.

Such as? Because the famous things she's said are this essay and this tweet, and they look OK to me. Have you read them?

She's said bigoted things.

What things? Have you read the essay?

I've never read it, or anything she's written, but I've heard her speak and I was shocked. Shocked.

But what did she say?

Bigotry. Shocking things.

Nobody will ever tell me what she's said. What did she say?

Bad things. Transphobia.

But you don't remember any of them?

Look - squirrel!

You could at the same about Jeremy corbyn and antisemitism :)

'Look - squirrel!'
'Look - Corbyn!'

Thanks for the link, OP. Very succinct and very accurate.

You know most people appreciate that JKR is an intelligent person and not likely to provide a "gotcha" quote on this.

She's a powerful billionaire voice consistently focusing on a marginalised minority, amplifying only select information to demonise that minority and thus mobilising a movement against said minority.

But, sure, keep thinking this is about a "single quote".

@Nellle you've just proved OPs point.

She's a powerful billionaire voice consistently focusing on a marginalised minority, amplifying only select information to demonise that minority and thus mobilising a movement against said minority.

If highlighting the impact on women's safety repeatedly is the same as "focusing on and demonising of a marginalised minority", then your comprehension skills are severely lacking.

Women's rights must be protected

Why do you hate transpeople so much?

I don't, I just try to protect female only spaces for the safety of women

How dare you label all transwomen as sexual predators!

I didn't, I'm just protecting the rights of women

You fucking bigot

But, sure, keep thinking this is about a "single quote".

That's the point. You'd think there'd be reams of evidence. There is not.

I really loved the quote from JKR in the trailer for the new podcast, "[they] could not have misunderstood me more profoundly". She really is not doing the things you claim.

@Nellle - she’s not, actually, she is focusing on the risks to women and to some extent the imposition of a change in language. Unfortunately trans activists have, probably not intentionally, become one of the groups rubbing out the words women used to use freely to describe ourselves. This focus on women and how we use language is particularly important in Scotland where the state does try to somewhat over-reach into people’s private lives, speech and thoughts. See the “named person” debate as an example of this. I do hope that one day women’s rights and trans rights activists will find themselves on the same side again, because this zero sum game is not working for either of us.

I'm assuming that initially, a single person took umbrage at JKR saying "wimpun" etc, had a radge and called her transphobic, then others just parroted it. Then it just snowballed. And none of them have actually read anything that she's actually written, or listened to anything they've said, they just spout a faith position and pretend that she's too dangerous and hurtful to actually read, or listen to anything from her.

If they took an honest and open minded view and actually read what she's said, they'd have to acknowledge that they were mistaken and that would never do, would it?

Ah, but it's all about the 'dogwhistle'. Any statement, however innocuous, can be accused of being a dogwhistle for anti-trans sentiment. The accusers don't have to show which part is anti-trans because it doesn't actually exist in the statement itself. The TRAs know the purpose of the statement is anti-trans, and therefore the statement is anti-trans. Even if the statement doesn't mention anything about transgenderism.

I'm waiting for the day when saying 'Hello' will result in accusations of transphobic bigotry.

people make the exact same argument for JC and yet you’d be hard pressed for to find a majority on here that doesn’t think he’s an anti-Semite including JK herself.

so clearly there are other ways of implying your views without using slurs? Unless implying bad faith arguments about peoples beliefs based on tenuous links is frowned upon?

My 16 year old declared at Christmas that JKR was a 'bigot'. They love HP and so see this as a conflict.

Me: "Well, she isn't"
Them: "Yes, she is"
Me: "She has said women need single sex spaces like loo's."
Them: "Oh, I agree with that."
Me: "Have you read what she wrote?"
Them: Splutters, before declaring they hadn't.

I'm assuming that initially, a single person took umbrage at JKR saying "wimpun" etc, had a radge and called her transphobic, then others just parroted it.

There was some Twitter "like" policing before she first said anything.

I've never seen JKR smiling beatifically as a trans person is subjected to a bigoted rant. I've seen Corbyn do it when a Jewish woman was subjected to an antisemitic rant live on TV.

They never can identify what she said or did that was bigoted. Because there isn't anything.

Jeremy Corbyn was even filmed making antisemitic slurs. 'English irony'. Corbyn is the opposite of JKR. No matter how much evidence is shown of his personal racism, there's still somehow never any proof. No matter how many times an accuser is asked for anything JKR has said, nothing is ever shown. Now we're told she's so clever she'll never say anything transphobic so it's a good job we have the psychic thought police now.

It's one for the list of questions that can never be answered (in a non-circular way).
What is a woman?
What is trans?
Is it possible to lie about what gender you are or is it the act of stating your gender that confers that gender identity on you?
How does someone find out if they are a man or a woman?

Is it transphobic to believe that you need a certain type of body if you are/identify as a man/woman?
Are you conflating sex and gender?
Are you conflating female and feminine?
What does one actually do to "live as a woman"?
and the newly added "is Isla Bryson a man or a woman"?

It beggars belief that one of the most celebrated authors of our times has been demonised simply for pointing out that sex is real, and that women need same-sex spaces in certain circumstances.

She was shut down because of ‘no debate’ and then after she graciously tried to explain where she was coming from, as a survivor of male violence, the pile-on only intensified.

But JKR is not a hateful bigot - she is an incredibly kind person and a philanthropist. Remember when she helped to save the lives of women fleeing Afghanistan?

She has never wished any harm to trans people, she wants to find a way for everyone to exist together in safety. Shame on the MSM for being complicit in the brainwashing of the public that JKR is a transphobe. She has never said anything transphobic, or even controversial! How is it controversial to want women to have dignity, safety and privacy? And to dislike phrases such as ‘people who menstruate’?

I think it’s far more ‘controversial’ to issue rape and death threats to someone with whom you disagree. Trans people deserve protection and dignity - nobody is disputing that, and JKR would have been a powerful ally for the LGBT community, if they’d only allowed some discussion and debate about how to safeguard women while protecting trans rights. For me, it has to be the creation of third spaces. I don’t think it should be a woman’s job to validate a trans woman’s identity by allowing TW into rape refuges, toilets, prisons, sports and award categories reserved for women. Also, I blame Stonewall for widening the trans umbrella to include people who do not even have gender dysphoria. I hope that history will be kind to JKR.

so clearly there are other ways of implying your views without using slurs?

I'm pretty sure JKR has stated her views pretty clearly, not implied them.

I couldn't possibly say whether Corbyn personally is an antisemite. From what I recall, a lot of what he was criticised for was failing to clamp down on examples of antisemitism in his party which, if accurate, seems a very reasonable thing to be criticised for.

JKR has stated very clearly that she believes that trans people should have all the rights which everyone else has, and that they should not be discriminated against or harassed for presenting in the way they feel comfortable. She doesn't believe people can change sex (they can't). She believes sex exists and is important. She believes women should be allowed to retain single-sex spaces and that it should be allowed and u conttoversial to refer to women using sex-based language without being accused of transphobia.

What views do you think she's 'implying'?

KalimbaMoon · Today 10:03

She was shut down because of ‘no debate’ and then after she graciously tried to explain where she was coming from, as a survivor of male violence, the pile-on only intensified.

She was accused of weaponising her experience of domestic violence, which tells us all we need to know about the TRA zealot side.

She has never wished any harm to trans people, she wants to find a way for everyone to exist together in safety.

They have lied about that, fabricated things and simply call her transphobic, even though she's been sympathetic, entirely reasonable and tried to explore the idea of compromise and finding common ground.

She's a powerful billionaire voice

She isn't a billionaire, because unlike many rich people she pays her taxes and gives large amounts of money to charity. Hope that helps.

She was shut down because of ‘no debate’ and then after she graciously tried to explain where she was coming from, as a survivor of male violence, the pile-on only intensified.

She was accused of weaponising her experience of domestic violence, which tells us all we need to know about the TRA zealot side.

It was deeply nasty. The Sun even dug up her violent ex for an exclusive interview, causing even Owen Jones, who had been gleefully accusing her along with the most unhinged, threatening TRAs of evil weaponising of her victimhood the day before, to have to condemn it as a bit too much.

When did men become a marginalised minority?

I agree JK consistently focuses on a marginalised minority. Things like setting up Beira's Place and Lumos shows where her priorities lie - vulnerable women and children.

But sure let's all pretend it's what she doesn't even say on Twitter that proves she "lives as a transphobe".

As always, it's the dishonesty that sickens me.

I had the same conversation with my teen, who declared that JKR and "my people" are inciting hatred and violence towards trans people. I showed her JKRs essay and asked for examples of transphobia and inciting hatred in that or any other piece of writing. None were forthcoming.
I also pointed out that among "my people" ie GC people I have never ever heard anyone inciting violence towards trans people, unlike the violence I have seen incited towards women by trans activists.

@Nellle its easy to know what JKR focuses on:

• writing. She’s done quite a lot of it, quite well. You might have heard. It’s time-consuming to be so productive.
• family. She has three kids I think. (I only know this because TRAs made threats to harm them)
• charities.

Her charities - which are the reason she’s not a billionaire any more - focus on

• MS research & care
• Lumos - international charity for looked-after children
• There’s a specific charity for Ukrainian children, or it might be a branch of Lumos
• Beira’s place is a much-neededrape crisis centre - that must have taken some setting up
• rescuing over 100 Afghan women & their families who were known to be on Taliban hitlists.

She has also supported at least one woman who was wrongly driven out of her job - unlawfully, as it turns out - and who still has to sue to extract the compensation she is due.

So I guess you could say all of those charities focus on helping oppressed & marginalised communities - so oppressed that some of them have had to flee their country in fear of their lives.

But that wasn’t what you meant, was it?