Wikipedia on "cotton ceiling"

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This came up:

Cotton ceiling is a term referring to the marginalization of trans women face in queer sexual spaces.[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11] The term was coined in 2015 by trans porn performer Drew DeVeaux, referring to the difficulties trans women experience in securing lesbian partners.[12]

Is this correct as this is not how I understood it? I thought the term was about coercion of lesbians?

Also badly written or edited. Pick a tense.

It is. Edit it.

Why would a trans woman be attractive to a lesbian?

Yep, I agree with you. I thought it was about trying to force lesbians to accept sex with men (aka trans women")

What would you call it when a male is complaining about being sexually marginalised by lesbians?
Some might call it discriminatory and label it 'the cotton ceiling'. That's referencing the glass ceiling which prevents women getting to senior positions.

When men are complaining about being rejected for sex by lesbians, complaining that they are being discriminated against and face a barrier which they want to breach...

I would call that coercive.

I don't understand where you see a discrepancy?

Tbf that is kind of what it says...just spun from the pov of a tw trying to get into said knickers. It reminds me of an article I once read about private school children being "discriminated against" by top universities' widening participation policies.

Put it this way, if a lesbian willingly chooses a transwoman as a partner then she's not a lesbian she's bi.

If she's lesbian, and she's having sex with a transwoman when she'd prefer to have sex with a woman, then she's being coerced.

Agree. It's referencing it correctly, from the POV of a misogynist who sees women as sexual objects and support humans.

The term means exactly what you think it does.

Wikipedia is relentlessly policed by transactivists. Indeed it even says what you think, it’s merely couched in selfishness, whereby the man writing it can’t see anything from anyone else’s point of view.

He’s made it all about his victimization and is unable to conceive that any same-sex attracted woman can only be expected to turn him down.

Therefore he is also unable to perceive that the act of pursuing such a woman when he knows she’s a lesbian is an act of attempted coercion, and if she says no, he sees it as an insult which should probably be corrected.

This is just written from the coercer’s point of view, rather than the coercee.

Which is Wikipedia all over.

Ah! Bored was much more concise!

Because he's a man?

That is what it says?

I've never seen so many references in the first few words of an article. It's quite comical.

It's almost as if they want to distract from the next sentence and reference [12]...

Oops, misread as attracted to.
Just getting my reading glasses...

Isn't 'cotton ceiling' the coercers' term? Why would it be defined from a lesbian perspective? It's a bit like expecting the definition of christening to be given from a biologist's perspective.

Of course it is an offensive term which objectifies lesbians.

I wonder whether any other things that are seen very differently by different people are given multiple definitions in one Wikipedia article?

So why isn't it seen as problematic for men to insist on sexual access to lesbians?
Is it because men feel entitled? Can't handle rejection? Don't care if a woman doesn't desire him as long as she submits?
All of these are totally unacceptable.

The list of references contains a number of interesting sources! I somehow doubt that Julie Bindel and Heather Brunskell-Evans were waxing lyrical over the poor menz and their hurts feelings…

Too right it's unacceptable!

But unacceptable things have names. People do named things that are unacceptable.

Apologies, I couldn’t see a link so here’s one.

Christ they are so bloody entitled, everyone has the right to say no, and no other justification is necessary. Maybe its only women that really and truely understand that.

Odd, there are 12 references but not this one.

Well yes exactly my point? Why would a lesbian be interested in a man? If they were, by definition they’d no long be a lesbian

@Redebs just seen you misread! Thought you were implying that as he’s a man of course everyone should find them attractive 😂

This article from 4W came to mind.

4w.pub/these-men-were-promised-lesbians/