Wikipedia on "cotton ceiling"

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This came up:

Cotton ceiling is a term referring to the marginalization of trans women face in queer sexual spaces.[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11] The term was coined in 2015 by trans porn performer Drew DeVeaux, referring to the difficulties trans women experience in securing lesbian partners.[12]

Is this correct as this is not how I understood it? I thought the term was about coercion of lesbians?

Very interesting. Explains why all these men have such unrealistic expectations.

I imagine male centred lesbian porn has a lot to do with it too. Written for men, by men.

At least it makes it clear how women are seen through this lens: as body parts to be claimed/accessed/gotten at.

Excellent article.

Gay rights, female enfranchisement, and desegregation took ages, and had to be built from the ground up via speeches and rallies where the favour of majorities was won. Only then did these movements take their cases to the courts. Trans activists went straight to the politicians, avoiding the painstaking process of convincing women to extend access to their spaces, identities and bodies. “When those laws will take away other people’s rights,” says Joyce, “it is not only unnecessary to build public awareness. It is imperative to keep the public in the dark.”

The belief that homosexual women could be scolded into providing sexual relationships as a form of social duty is dehumanising women to a quite staggering degree. And the anger and bewilderment that they just won't all do it without complaint is even more staggering.

And yet we're supposed to buy into the idea that 'conversion therapy' is evil and this movement want to ban it? And not have a lot of questions about that? And not point out the great big elephants cantering about in it that actually, attempts to convert homosexual people via pressure and exclusion and arguing them out of their identity and belief in a right to define themselves and their sexuality is ok?

Why? What does all this serve?

So many people, including women, absolutely hopping mad that sexual orientation exists.

When you're openly telling gay people they're wrong/disgusting there has to come a moment when you actually hear what you're saying.

twitter.com/TransHomophobes

*The term 'cotton ceiling' suggests barriers to accessing women's bodies need to be 'broken through'.

It's one of the most offensive and grotesque things I've ever heard.*

Reminiscent of the premium some misogynists place on 'virgin' women. And girls.

Its yet another example of men claiming they are oppressed and victimised by women's boundaries, which is at least one of the rules of misogyny.

This.

The 'cotton' they want to break through is women's underwear. That is absolutely the height of creepiness

And are straight men also being subjected to campaigns to coerce them into having sex with trans-identifying men?

How do straight men feel about their sons and brothers being forced to have sex with other men under threat of being accused 'transphobic'?

Redebs, I know. It's the concept of breaking a barrier that I'm referring to.

Males wanting to have sex with lesbian women specifically because they see a cotton barrier to break through. Males wanting to have sex with sexually inexperienced women specifically because they see a membranous barrier to break through.

IE males wanting to have sex with specific women for purposes of conquest and ego-boosting.

I’m a lesbian. I don’t date transwomen because chicks don’t have dicks. It’s that simple.

They haven’t come for straight men because straight men would laugh in their faces.

It is happening, but it's more in the category of being a nuisance:

www.datalounge.com/thread/29351293-is-anyone-else-seeing-a-large-number-of-trans-profiles-on-gay-dating-meeting-apps-lately-