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Naked man in University Sports Park women’s changing room

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Sazzasez · 10/02/2023 06:21

www.edp24.co.uk/news/23309722.naked-man-reported-female-change-room-uea-sportspark/

The woman tying herself in knots “if she knows he’s transgender...” it would be fine!

Tell that to “Isla Bryson”’s victims.

But she can’t tell: nobody can.

The admissions policy for the sports park allows in unaccompanied children from the age of 12.

UEA is in deep financial doodoo but still spends thousands to be Stonewall “Diversity” Champions & bring in “Gendered Intelligence” to do its “diversity” training.

The safeguarding statement on the sportspark website gets the law wrong - “gender” is there, sex isnt.

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Helleofabore · 10/02/2023 09:03

Twice? On a Monday?

I am sure a poster will be along soon to tell us how we can tell who is truly trans and who is not….

caramac04 · 10/02/2023 09:24

This is madness. Male genitalia should be in male changing rooms.
Whilst I understand a feminine looking man who identifies as trans might feel uncomfortable in the male changing rooms, I fail to understand why his feelings are more important than girls and women.
Also, why is he exposing his penis? Are there no cubicles? Does he not possess a towel?
To me, he presents a danger in as least as much that 12 year old girls and other females might be exposed to his genitalia which is absolutely wrong. If that happened in the park he would be liable to prosecution and quite rightly.
Frankly I think he’s getting off on his indecent exposure as he must know this would upset women using the women’s changing room.

Diamondsmile · 10/02/2023 09:45

Direct quote from the article
A UEA spokesman said: "We recognise that this is a complex issue, so continually review our facilities across the centre.
"We take all aspects of privacy, decency, health and safety of the centre and its users very seriously.
"These include separate accessible changing, self-contained cubicles as well as group change spaces.
"We also provide self-contained shower facilities in addition to our communal changing areas."

This occurred even though there are self contained showers and self contained cubicles. This is an entitled male with paraphillia’s such as exhibitionism and action should be taken.

Xoxoxoxoxoxox · 10/02/2023 11:58

It just shows how emboldened these men are becoming.
It won’t be long before a women is raped in a gym, it’s obvious that this will escalate.
I can’t see how this is in any way safe for women or beneficial to the trans community with all the subsequent bad publicity.

Janbohonut · 10/02/2023 13:54

I noticed this line at the end:

"The issue of access to women-only spaces has been the subject of recent debate, following the case of Isla Bryson, who was convicted of raping two women while called Adam Graham but who now identifies as a woman.

Bryson was sent to a women's prison, prompting an outcry."

So the media can finally get to the absolute heart of the issue by referring to this crime in very dry, measured tones.

It's a shame two women had to get raped for that to happen.

It's a shame that JK Rowling and others have been threatened and had their reputations debated for stating the absolute obvious from the start.

Feckedupbundle · 10/02/2023 14:05

Thank you for alerting us to this. My niece attends UAE. I'll warn her mum to let her know.

mumda · 10/02/2023 18:12

It's not complex!
Get the cock out of the women's changing room!

ValerieDoonican · 10/02/2023 18:47

The poor lass who complained appears to think a TW would have changed their "biology" and no longer have a cock. I wonder what proportion of the population think that?( I guess a small % fewer after those pics of the Scottish rapist),

But I imagine it would impact your views about TW if you thought thay all had "female biology".

PonyPatter44 · 10/02/2023 18:51

I believe that both sexes are able to own towels. The fact that this individual chooses not to use one tells me that he is in fact a flasher and gets off on waving his junk at young women.

ClearMoth · 10/02/2023 18:53

mumda · 10/02/2023 18:12

It's not complex!
Get the cock out of the women's changing room!

In practice, people are really scared and it's not that easy. A male person with long hair and make up started using the women's changing room at my gym about a year ago.

This person would stay in there for hours, doing very little, but forcing women to be in there at the same time as him. I once waited 45 mins for him to leave so I could go and get my stuff out of the locker. He didn't leave. I had to go in alone with him and he followed me into the loo area and hung around uncomfortably near, looking at me, while I washed my hands.

I spoke to the gym manager who was sympathetic and said he would ask him to use the accessible shower/toilet but luckily for all he stopped coming to the gym and there was no confrontation in that instance.

But in practice it's difficult for the women in the changing room and for the staff. Everyone is scared of being called a bigot, of the threat of legal action or worse.

YouJustDoYou · 10/02/2023 18:53

It's a hierarchy of equality. Trans are higher in the equality than women are - their "equalities" are deemed more important than anyone else's. It doesn't matter if a woman feels unsafe. It doesn't matter if she doesn't/can't be near penis due to past trauma. She will always be lower in the hierarchy of equalities than a transwoman and the transwoman's demands.

YouJustDoYou · 10/02/2023 18:54

ClearMoth · 10/02/2023 18:53

In practice, people are really scared and it's not that easy. A male person with long hair and make up started using the women's changing room at my gym about a year ago.

This person would stay in there for hours, doing very little, but forcing women to be in there at the same time as him. I once waited 45 mins for him to leave so I could go and get my stuff out of the locker. He didn't leave. I had to go in alone with him and he followed me into the loo area and hung around uncomfortably near, looking at me, while I washed my hands.

I spoke to the gym manager who was sympathetic and said he would ask him to use the accessible shower/toilet but luckily for all he stopped coming to the gym and there was no confrontation in that instance.

But in practice it's difficult for the women in the changing room and for the staff. Everyone is scared of being called a bigot, of the threat of legal action or worse.

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Fucking creep.

twitterexile · 10/02/2023 19:05

Xoxoxoxoxoxox · 10/02/2023 11:58

It just shows how emboldened these men are becoming.
It won’t be long before a women is raped in a gym, it’s obvious that this will escalate.
I can’t see how this is in any way safe for women or beneficial to the trans community with all the subsequent bad publicity.

Emboldened is definitely the word. These creeps are everywhere and will be crawling out of the woodwork to enact their fetish wherever women and girls are vulnerable. It is a complete horror show.

DisappearingGirl · 10/02/2023 19:06

The mad thing is that the males in these cases often haven't even claimed to be trans.

No-one, not even the staff, feels able to ask or challenge them, just in case they might be trans:

"when she highlighted her concerns she was told by staff that it would be discriminatory to query the person."

Same with the WiSpa incident - when the woman was complaining at reception, some bloke in the queue said if there was a naked male in the women's then he must be trans.

RoaringtoLangClegintheDark · 10/02/2023 19:07

“We fully recognise our legal responsibilities and do not allow men to use the female changing rooms, or women to use male changing rooms, and we ask people to use the changing spaces that are appropriate to their circumstances."

Another quote from UEA. Completely meaningless.

What is a man? What is a woman? What “circumstances” make it appropriate to use the opposite sex changing rooms?

Pathetic, cowardly enablers of sex offending.

onedayiwillmissthis · 10/02/2023 19:27

ClearMoth · 10/02/2023 18:53

In practice, people are really scared and it's not that easy. A male person with long hair and make up started using the women's changing room at my gym about a year ago.

This person would stay in there for hours, doing very little, but forcing women to be in there at the same time as him. I once waited 45 mins for him to leave so I could go and get my stuff out of the locker. He didn't leave. I had to go in alone with him and he followed me into the loo area and hung around uncomfortably near, looking at me, while I washed my hands.

I spoke to the gym manager who was sympathetic and said he would ask him to use the accessible shower/toilet but luckily for all he stopped coming to the gym and there was no confrontation in that instance.

But in practice it's difficult for the women in the changing room and for the staff. Everyone is scared of being called a bigot, of the threat of legal action or worse.

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I had a very similar experience except that when I spoke to the female gym owner (small independent gym & spa) I was brushed off with...but TWAW.

I chose to cancel my membership, as having experienced male violence in the past I found the whole thing too distressing.

Janbohonut · 10/02/2023 19:39

Had a similar experience, absolutely enormous transwomen in a women's basement toilet. Intimidating, especially as I'd had a drink after not being out for months. He made such a point of being there, fluttering away in the mirror. The two other women just averted their eyes but I genuinely think he had absolutely no idea of how much he was altering the atmosphere as wouldn't no any different.

Had clearly just put on a dress, too, no other effort, but felt entitled to use the ladies (plus it was bloody poetry reading, and he was built like a brick shithouse – would hardly have been "vulnerable" in the mens.)

Waitwhat23 · 10/02/2023 19:45

DisappearingGirl · 10/02/2023 19:06

The mad thing is that the males in these cases often haven't even claimed to be trans.

No-one, not even the staff, feels able to ask or challenge them, just in case they might be trans:

"when she highlighted her concerns she was told by staff that it would be discriminatory to query the person."

Same with the WiSpa incident - when the woman was complaining at reception, some bloke in the queue said if there was a naked male in the women's then he must be trans.

Yep. This whole situation must be a absolute wet dream for predators.

And of course, in the WiSpa incident, the man was a convicted sexual offender.

Ofcourseshecan · 10/02/2023 19:48

Diamondsmile · 10/02/2023 09:45

Direct quote from the article
A UEA spokesman said: "We recognise that this is a complex issue, so continually review our facilities across the centre.
"We take all aspects of privacy, decency, health and safety of the centre and its users very seriously.
"These include separate accessible changing, self-contained cubicles as well as group change spaces.
"We also provide self-contained shower facilities in addition to our communal changing areas."

This occurred even though there are self contained showers and self contained cubicles. This is an entitled male with paraphillia’s such as exhibitionism and action should be taken.

A UEA spokesman said: "We recognise that this is a complex issue,

Cowardly liar. It’s not even slightly complex.

TheBitchOfTheVicar · 10/02/2023 19:51

There are about three cubicles, the larger part of the changing rooms there are open, including two bigger, open rooms.

I swim there sometimes - have done a lot in the past; not any more. And I won't be taking my daughters there either

Janbohonut · 11/02/2023 10:54

The man is exposing himself in shared facilities and inflicting his fetish on women who just want to exercise.
We all know the type, we've all seen them.
But suddenly it's "complex."
Oh, fuck off.

AmuseBish · 11/02/2023 11:07

One of the questions I've posted most often on here over the years is "How would you draft a policy that allows transwomen in but doesn't allow men?"

It's the most obvious question to ask if you're even thinking about having changing rooms be gender-based rather than sex-based. You'd have to be a cretin to have not thought about it over the many years this has been trying to sneak through.

Btw, no-one was ever able to offer an answer.

PriOn1 · 11/02/2023 11:22

Honestly, I just want to hold my head in my hands and scream. Telling males there’s a loophole that will allow them to indulge their exhibitionist perversions without consequences was always going to end this way.

I can understand other perverts being on board, but how can other women be so stupid?

DrBlackbird · 11/02/2023 11:37

We recognise that this is a complex issue

A man said this to me. I said it really wasn’t.

AmuseBish · 11/02/2023 12:32

If your aim is to include TW and exclude men, then it is 'complex' - I'd say bordering on the impossible. So what you do when you have a complex problem, is first define what you mean - so define 'men' and define 'transwoman' and see if your policy is possible. If not possible, do not implement it. If possible, set out your definitions and actual policy transparently so everyone can see it. Draw up an impact assessment. See if anyone is potentially harmed. If they are, don't implement it.

You don't just ignore it because there isn't an easy answer and just see what happens if you make single-sex spaces into mixed sex ones. That is not what you do with a complex problem. Unless you don't really care about any of your customers.