Girl abducted in Galashiels appears to have been held by transwoman

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Only source so far, but appears to be potentially corroborated by the Sun:

www.thesun.co.uk/news/21308457/cops-search-butchers-and-forensics-scour-for-evidence/

I’m amused by the fore-give spelling error.

Forgiving is retrospective, you forgive past events.

But ‘fore’ means ‘in front’.

In golf ‘Fore!’ is a warning -a heads up to step out of the path of a ball in flight.

My fore! gift to anyone who STILL thinks the feelings of men are more important than the safeguarding of children is a heads up to step out of the way - momentum is building, women are speaking and we aren’t going to stop just because you find it offensive.

I was so kind, even though it ugged me, I didn’t mock the spelling error. I have embraced ##bekind lol. I mean @Justellingthetruth is batshit crazy and my mother told me never to mock the afflicted.

you should all be ashamed

Hmm most of us on here aren't the ones that should be feeling shame right now.

And i see justelling still hasn't done that reflection on their deleted post.

There was a picture I saw on social media last year which had photos of the people bringing in laws promoting gender ideology over safeguarding. And the people who were going to court for safeguarding, women’s rights and freedom of speech. All the first lot were white biological men who had been convicted/admitted crimes and unpleasant activities. And the second group were all biological women from black and ethnic minorities.
Does anyone have a copy of this and could it be updated? We have the guy who was influential in the Scottish jail document. Then Beth who seemed to be very influential and just suspended from the Green Party. And the Scot Lib Dem guy who did the gender law ‘for Beth’. Then outliers Maggie Chapman and Nicola Sturgeon.

@Justellingthetruth I suspect most of us started out feeling nothing but compassion and kindness. I remember when there was a big hoo-ha in the USA over trans women and toilets (Kentucky). And I re-call sharing posts onFacebook that my niece wrote about how unkind it was to trans women. I couldn't understand the irrationality of barring vulnerable trans women from spaces like that.

But this is like one of those pictures that you have to squint at really hard for the hidden picture to come into focus. And once you see it, you can't ever unsee it. And what you see - based in evidence and fact - is proudly disturbing.

The misogyny this issue masks and has unleashed is mind blowing ... on many many levels. I am profoundly disturbed at the situation for women today. The negative impacts on young people is deeply concerning. The impact on rational thought in schools is worrying. I could go on.

One of the problems with this debate is, as a friend of mine put it, you have to make a choice. Stonewall framed it that way. If you care about mysogyny and challenge it, then you are a transphobe. There is nowhere in between. Stonewall wants it that way.

I am a woman and the mother of a daughter. I will not passively accept our rights, safety, dignity, privacy being eroded. The fact that there seem to be demands we accept this (i.e.how dare you even discuss this, you are being so mean etc) is evidence of entrenched misogyny and how little women matter.

I've made my choice. I have to fight for my daughter and my own rights, because no one else is. By definition, that makes me a transphobe. So be it, I don't care anymore. I know too much.

What trans activists should reflect on, is what happened to a women like me, who went from supporting the rights on trans women to use women's spaces, to believing now that there is no middle ground on that anymore? What did they do wrong?

I can tell you: they totally and completely disregarded the rights of women. They don't give a fuck about the trauma and fear women live with constantly. And in the process of campaigning in a way that I would characterise as misogynistic, they forced me into a corner.

See if you can manage to accommodate both your desire to be kind AND a desire to sustain and support women and girls. You can't.You will always be brought to having to make a choice. The upshot of that is that you will make women angry, and we / I will not take kindly to being thrown under the bus.

As an alternative: consider if the trans lobby groups had instead campaigned for 'third spaces'; had put female prisoners and their experiences ahead of everything in risk assessing males being transferred into female spaces; had acknowledged that the trauma women feel is often uniquely tied to their biological sex and oppression by men; had recognised (gasp shock) that transgender women could also be sex predators and safeguarding is required. Etc etc.

I suspect many of the women on this thread would have been staunch allies and supported them. Instead, what they've done is entrench distrust so deeply I don't think there's any coming back from this.

Well put, scratched!

You make some good points there @scratchedbymycat . Events in Scotland over recent weeks have made some things clearer to me. There really is a conflict between safeguarding the rights of women and girls as a group and protecting the rights of the individual transwoman. I would support the creation of a third space. That would also have the benefit of being a space for non binary people.

The problem with the third space is that there is such a diverse group to go in there. I know that that is true of both sex groups though so I do think it is the solution, unless it takes more facilities away from women. Interestingly the gender neutral toilets so campaigned for by non-binary young women are not being used by them now they are in place and there’s older men in the there, in my area. They use the women’s.

Every time I think it isn't possible to get angrier, I come across something else that blows my sense of incredulity to pieces and makes me incensed with rage.

For example, recently learning that the so-called risk assessment the Scottish Prison Services use - the robust one we're told sensibly protects women in prisons. The assessment that is apparently conducted by skilled people we can trust. The one that ensures no harm to women ever ...

That that fucking assessment doesn't even have a checkbox to risk-assess any potential impacts on women - the actual group who inhabits the female estate. Makes me fucking WILD.

So for women who have been raped ... no assessment to reduce trauma impacts of a strange male naked in the showers, penis and testicles all a go-go.

Who in their right mind, who considers themselves kind and compassionate, thought this was reasonable? How the fuck can we ever "trust" the people who action and approve this?

But to say, 'no penis or testicles in the female showers' is somehow transphobic and bigoted. Seriously...?

Given that option I'll be a bigot every day and all day.

Stating that this particular individual committed a crime and stating how this individual has described himself is not picking on an entire group of people.

He does claim to be a woman and a girl was found in his property.

And there is an ideology enabling him to tell the lie that he is a woman! You should absolutely be concentrating on finding a way to weed out someone like this from your ideology instead of telling us we are rude for noticing! And you need to ensure women aren't hurt by your ideology, that would be the kind thing to do!

Exactly 💯⭐️🥇

Budge up on the bigot bench please, make room for me to sit next to you?

'How horrid' ? Really? Pass the ginger beer Uncle Quentin.

It is no good trying to make this go away by framing it as 'being horrid' to any group of people. (Except possibly females. It's all been pretty horrid to them with the death threats and rapes and such.)

The reasons why this conversation is necessary, for anyone at the back who hasn't got it yet:

• This 'group of people' are in fact male people who would like to identify as a particular group, they are self selected.
• they would like special access, not permitted to any other groups of males, into spaces where women are in a state of undress and vulnerability, where it it normal and accepted that it is wholly inappropriate for males to invade their privacy and dignity.
• They are (as a group, led by political representation for the group) not in the least concerned about how women feel about this
• They are not in the least concerned about whether women consent to this
• They are not in the least concerned about whether women are excluded by this.
• They do expect women to listen, endlessly and unconditionally sympathetically, to their inclusion needs, feelings, wishes and preferences.
• Some women are understandably getting less and less willing to be patient with all of this, do not see themselves as the servants of males or under any obligation to indulge all this, and perceive it as an abusive relationship where the abuse is the loss of their dignity, privacy, consent, inclusion, equality of access, and absolute inability to see them as equals or with the right to have any say in the situation that affects them.
• This unbelievable misogyny comes with people under banners and all over social media wishing rape and murder upon women who fail to smilingly indulge males in the way these males wish to be indulged.
• As a result of the above, increasing numbers of women are being excluded, assaulted and raped by males in this group who used their access to women in these spaces to offend against them.
• It has become apparent in the past few weeks that government 'capture' by these groups has led to the point where violent serious sex offenders - one of whom needing 11 people in riot gear to subdue them - are being waved into women's prisons where vulnerable women with many problems of their own in care of the state are expected to share showers with them.

Anyone, at this point, feeling that women raising these topics as an issue of serious concern and anger, and a very major threat to women's rights, are being 'horrid' to the poor men in this group has a significant issue going on between their ears.

And frankly women have bigger problems than whether or not the famous five think they're handling the rapes of women 'kindly' enough.

”so many discriminatory bullies on here it's untrue.”

Did you mean to type this? It seems to contradict what I expect you mean.

”someone pointed out how horrid it is to pick on a certain sort of group of people.”

When will you acknowledge the truth? That the ‘group’ this person belongs too has twisted language so that it is impossible to post any headline other than what was posted and reflect the degree of risk that 11 year old girl was in.

Not once have you engaged and answered the questions as to how the headline should be worded.

Because it became very clear quickly that wasn’t the point of your posting here.

”and look at the insults I got.”

Yes, from you. From about the second post on.

You cannot claim victimhood when readers have seen your posts. I think you know this. But we will all still continue to refute you accusations while you continue to denigrate others.

“you should all be ashamed”

More projection. And ashamed ? Because you said so? How absurd!

Room for a small one on the bigot bench? I totally agree with you @scratchedbymycat

My husband is quite handy, so I've asked him to extend the bigot bench so there's room for everyone. I'm busy making cushions for us all, because it might be a while and I'm on it for the long haul.

A nice long (bench shaped) blanket to keep us warm would be nice, perhaps in suffragette colours. Any decent knitters about?

Thinking of changing my name to RunningOutOfRoomOnTheBigBigotBench

Bit long tho.

I can knit. Suffragette blankets all round?

What a lovely thought! This may be my next project.

I’ve finished my scarf and got lots of wool left over. I think I will do a blanket.

nilsmousehammer · Today 14:01

They are not in the least concerned about whether women consent to this

Indeed, many of them are actively delighted to know that women in such spaces do not consent.

Can I squeeze my fat arse onto a corner of the Bigot Bench? Ta!

If we’re knitting on the bigot bench maybe it’s time to bring back those terribly transphobic pussy hats?

www.seventeen.com/life/a15854506/stop-wearing-pussy-hats-womens-marches/

Suggest we update from pink to green, white and purple?

I look nice in green.

Yes. What possibly could be the enjoyable part of doing something that a woman says no to, or becomes upset about? Gosh I wonder.

This bench is going to need to run from Scotland to Brighton. In fact going by the most recent surveys, we may need to turn most of Argyll into a bench.

Transphobic Pussy Hats sounds like some sort of punk band.

Ooh yes, nice hats to go with our scarves and blankets! Let’s turn the country green, white and violet.