What's the problem with FiLiA?

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On another thread a few posters referred to "the FiLiA debacle". Without wanting to poke at the wounds in the current feminist movement, can someone tell me what's gone on?

I think I pointed out, that the syringe, has long been used.

Have you never heard of that Sappho? Did you think lesbians never had babies before the invention of IVF?

Put me down as another one who has noticed a creeping anti-lesbian sentiment on this board, I understand what a PP is saying now that we've served our purpose the masks are slowly slipping off.

There are plenty of situations where IVF or ICSI is recommended over IUI as the success rates are different. I don't really see that "just use a syringe" is a solution?

Yes, I suppose the method isn’t the issue, it is the anonymity that bothers me.

I believe the parents of a child should be known and I know this won’t just offend lesbians, but anyone who has used anyone anonymous to father the child or biological egg donations.

There was an AMA thread I stayed off recently where the OP had donated her eggs and I needed to stay away from that.

The syringe thing came up in a different thread, where the argument was that it was really expensive for lesbians to get pregnant. And my argument was, no it isn’t, not if you use a syringe. My apologies for not seeing.

Claire Heuchan and Joanne Harris have a lot in common I think. Both very concerned with how they come across in terms of status, both willing to silence dissenting voices, both happy to use their identity to claim power over others, both ready to make abusive and cruel statements about their enemies.

I know the thread has moved on but apparently only onto Sapphos repeating the same claims we've heard from her several times. So I thought I'd just mention that.

@EndlessTea Yes because you said lesbians should just ask any random man for sperm and refused to understand the legal and medical issues that mean most lesbians use clinics.

The sperm donor if through a clinic is known and children when grown up have a legal right to know who they are.

I don’t think lesbians should use any random man. I think they should get to know the bloke. It’s a serious matter, creating a child.

I’m glad about that. It didn’t used to be the case. The argument was that no one would donate if they could be traced.

@EndlessTea You obviously know nothing about the subject. It has already been explained to you that only a man who wanted to co parent would donate because he would have to pay maintenance.
Not all lesbian couples want to co parent with a man.
Just as not all straight couples who have a sperm donor want to co parent with another man.

Not all lesbian couples want to co parent with a man.

This is what is so downright entitled.

I know. You think lesbians have no right to have a child. Only married couples.

Yikes, Endless Tea, I mistook you for a reasonable person for a while back there. Whew. So you're staggered not that the NHS will in some cases offer donor insemination to lesbians, you're furious with lesbians for not necessarily wanting the child's father in its life.

Gah, these hideously entitled lesbians, eh, to want to take their lives and their decisions in their own hands.

And what level of entitlement does a straight woman achieve who has sex with two or three men over the course of a month and then finds that she's pregnant and she has no idea who any of those men were. Is she staggeringly entitled too if she maintains the pregnancy and has the child on her own and no name under the Father heading on the birth certificate?

Are you a man, Endless Tea?

EndlessTea has got to be trolling us 😂

So fucking entitled these lesbians, wanting to raise children as a lesbian couple.

This is simply untrue; if a married lesbian couple have a baby with a known donor, he has no parental rights and cannot be pursued for maintenance.

Btw. I am opposed to anonymous fathers/genetic mothers, but there is a difference between a couple resorting to (and the State providing) this because either one is infertile, and a couple choosing (and the State providing) this as a first resort because they want the biological parent out of the way because they can’t be arsed with finding a suitable person, or dealing with a co-parenting situation.

I know it pisses you off PattiHews and Sappho that I don’t believe “I want” should always “get”. Even if it is super-special people like you two.

As to those who say “the mask is slipping” or who suggest what I say reflects on what anyone else thinks or is showing some sort of secret gender critical agenda hitherto unspoken, I can assure you that am disagreeable, far more than the average person. I’m not about to change any time soon.

I think there's more to same sex parenting, or single parenting, than 'not being arsed with finding a suitable person' tbh.

@EndlessTea carry on spewing your homophobia all over mumsnet.

You are right if he is an official sperm donor. Not though if a lesbian gets pregnant with a man she happens to know which endlesstea is suggesting.

I don’t think someone in a married couple can pursue someone for maintenance payments. I know of a situation where a woman isn’t allowed for her boyfriend to move in or stay over too often or her ex will be entitled to stop paying.