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What's the problem with FiLiA?

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RhymesWithOrange · 06/02/2023 06:26

On another thread a few posters referred to "the FiLiA debacle". Without wanting to poke at the wounds in the current feminist movement, can someone tell me what's gone on?

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EndlessTea · 16/03/2023 17:57

beastlyslumber · 16/03/2023 17:54

Wow I haven't heard about any of this! Is there a thread about it somewhere?

I thought that was years ago - about five years ago?

Yonderashgrove · 16/03/2023 18:04

SapphosRock · 16/03/2023 07:10

Nobody should have a right to surrogacy.

Surrogacy is exploiting a woman's body. All pregnancies are risky and unpredictable. The baby will be separated from his/her mother. The emotional impact of this separation is negative for mother and baby.

It's surprising that anyone on a feminist board would view surrogacy as comparable to sperm donation which does not have any of the same risks for men or the potential to exploit men and does not mean the child is separated from its mother.

Surrogacy and sperm donation are as far apart as prostitution and consensual sex IMO.

All sperm donors (in the UK) must be traceable and the child will always have the option to contact their donor once they are 18. Children conceived from heterosexual one night stands or times when the parents lose contact do not have this option.

Bearing all of the above in mind, I believe that as the NHS offer's heterosexual couples with male factor infertility IUI and IVF using donor sperm then lesbians should be offered this too.

The NHS does not offer surrogacy to anyone and there is no plan for this to change.

There have been some cases of surrogacy on the NHS -
www.thepinknews.com/2020/05/04/scotland-gay-couple-surrogacy-nhs-ross-chris-muller-edinburgh/

www.theguardian.com/law/2020/apr/01/uk-woman-wins-claim-for-nhs-to-pay-us-surrogacy-costs

Yarnosaura · 16/03/2023 18:23

EndlessTea · 16/03/2023 17:57

I thought that was years ago - about five years ago?

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October 2021

EndlessTea · 16/03/2023 18:28

Yarnosaura · 16/03/2023 18:23

October 2021

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Then someone else must have called Shiela Jeffries a cunt at a difficult event about five years ago. I am thinking of something that happened a while before Covid.

EndlessTea · 16/03/2023 18:29

Different not difficult f-ing autocorrect

Yarnosaura · 16/03/2023 18:30

SapphosRock · 16/03/2023 16:37

I wasn't there so I don't know the whole story but I think the person in the video is Kitten Pinder ex Big Brother contestant who was known to security as she had been disruptive and abusive at the conference at called Sheila Jeffreys a cunt.

That sounds quite victim-blamey.

AllOutofEverything · 16/03/2023 18:30

Who is Sheila Jeffries? Is she very contentious if she keeps getting called a cunt at events?

Yarnosaura · 16/03/2023 18:31

EndlessTea · 16/03/2023 18:28

Then someone else must have called Shiela Jeffries a cunt at a difficult event about five years ago. I am thinking of something that happened a while before Covid.

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Oh right, yes, the original cunt episode was at a WNTT event some time back, but the FiLiA debacle was 2021.

EndlessTea · 16/03/2023 18:31

AllOutofEverything · 16/03/2023 18:30

Who is Sheila Jeffries? Is she very contentious if she keeps getting called a cunt at events?

She’s brilliant

EndlessTea · 16/03/2023 18:31

Yarnosaura · 16/03/2023 18:31

Oh right, yes, the original cunt episode was at a WNTT event some time back, but the FiLiA debacle was 2021.

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Ah thank you xx

EndlessTea · 16/03/2023 18:34

Jeffreys

KatMcBundleFace · 16/03/2023 18:45

AllOutofEverything · 16/03/2023 17:47

Does that mean if you call someone a cunt at one event you can't attend anything organised by anyone?

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If I misbehaved at an event, I might suspect that would have further repercussions at that event.

#discogate

AllOutofEverything · 16/03/2023 18:47

@KatMcBundleFace This was a different event years later according to women above

LangClegsInSpace · 16/03/2023 19:00

It was June 2018, WNTT: Inconvenient Women. Short thread here:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3269679-inconvenient-women-wntt

Venice's live stream is still available here:

www.facebook.com/DRradfem/videos/2157764721109127/

She called Sheila Jeffreys a cunt and disrupted the event for several minutes, but she was allowed to stay and later took the mic. She came to the pub with everyone afterwards, it all seemed to end amicably enough.

It was to do with the 'political lesbian' stuff, of which SJ was one of the original proponents:

I'm staying well out of that dispute because I'm not a lesbian.

I'm also making no comment on #Discogate because I wasn't there.

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