Gender Critical Disputes - Radical Notion special edition free to read online

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Cant say I have heard of Radical Notion. They say:

THE RADICAL NOTION was founded in 2020 to create a space for the resurgent wave of feminist thinking and activism. This not-for-profit magazine is run by an all-women collective of radical and socialist feminists. We are committed to the materialist analysis of sex-based oppression, and to challenging the material and symbolic structures of male dominance. This moment is a historic opportunity to deepen and widen the analysis of all aspects of women’s political condition, and its foundational role in all systems of extraction and domination.

We welcome words and images from women of all nationalities, classes, ethnicities and backgrounds to illuminate the meaning of feminist politics in their lives, and to create a global picture of this political moment. Our current battle, and the social, political and environmental unravellings we see all around us are, at their root, crises of patriarchy. We want to seize this moment to speak that truth.

theradicalnotion.org/gender-critical-disputes/

It seems quite expensive to subscribe but they have made this issue free to read online. A lot of it seems to be the ongoing antagonism (meaning the issues are real but seem to be motivated as much by personal fallouts) between radical feminist and socialist feminist gender critical women.

Some may remember this thread www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4662757-womens-place-uk-filia-event-the-elephant-ignored-yet-again and the revelation that WPUK seems to now be linked to the group Actual Gender Critical Left, who endlessly snipe about Karin Dansky and KJK.

Anyhow posting in case anyone wants to have a read.

Still not sure why some women think in the day of virtual opportunites to talk directly to other women, they need to go down the routed of "publishing" as though their ideas are somehow special and shouldn't be submitted to the rough and tumble on online forums like this one!

No, Bernard! We grim bigots Do Not question The Winter!

If you do not understand their proclamations, you must sit and face the wall until it makes sense. And no toilet breaks! If there's one thing The Winter cannot tolerate it's a grim bigot with a weak bladder.

grim
horrendous
bigots

Rightyhoo. That's enough for me for one day.

I’m Sorry Aunt Lydia.

apropos of nothing and purely by coincidence I have just been reading this. It's very interesting

www.helpguide.org/articles/mental-disorders/narcissistic-personality-disorder.htm

'Narcissists feel threatened whenever they encounter someone who appears to have something they lack—especially those who are confident and popular. They're also threatened by people who don't kowtow to them or who challenge them in any way. Their defense mechanism is contempt. The only way to neutralize the threat and prop up their own sagging ego is to put those people down. They may do it in a patronizing or dismissive way as if to demonstrate how little the other person means to them. Or they may go on the attack with insults, name-calling, bullying, and threats to force the other person back into line.'

For example @WinterDeWinter you could say “only white people can be racist” and someone else could argue “hang on that’s racist against white people

@EndlessTea you have to be joking. You have to have been living under a rock to have not understood that racism is about who has power and who does not.

If The Winter says I'm a grim horrendous bigot then I am one. Because The Winter has their own thoughts and is able to decide things that others can't.

Like, at one point I thought The Winter was some kind of under bridge dweller. But now I realise that was just because they hadn't told me what I really think yet.

Right, any and all MNers who watch Rachel Maddow and think they have an ear for how to phrase a letter to her that will pique her interest, email her with links to detransitioners' social media. Please.

It might lead somewhere, or it might not, but it's worth a try.

apropos of nothing and purely by coincidence I have just been reading this.

Purely by coincidence I've been admiring my rock collection and thinking it needs more grey ones.

yeah, you're probably right. it is my bed time too

You are coming across as a bit out of date now.

Sleep well, you horrendous bigot you ❤️

I stand by that. This is honestly not what I came in thinking - but what’s unfolded has just been nuts.

Yes, that's a wise thought. My empty little bigot brain needs to sleep, anyway.

Ah, the feminists of Farage

She doth disparage

no need for an imprecation

It's just her self-deprecation

Many people, in good faith, have been taught "THIS IS A DOGWHISTLE FOR RACISM." If you've been trained to think this way, is it goadiness or is it pushing people to use language in ways not to offend non-white people? Maybe both? I don't know......not sure if I'm explaining myself well. Hypocrisy can exist w/out intentional goadiness, I feel.

TBF, I skimmed over the racism back and forth cause I don't want to engage one way or the other...so maybe I missed some obvious shit stirring.

I agree. I'm hoping classical liberalism will make its revival and we can actually debate our points where people pay attention. Kara Dansky always says, "if we could get them to listen to us, we will win."

For example. Imagine if a white person is working in an organisation, in South London, social justice type, and about 80% of their colleagues, including managers are black.

This white person is singled out and subjected to workplace bullying because of their race. They are ridiculed, humiliated, isolated, undermined, stereotyped, etc.

In this microcosm, the white person does not have the power.

If this person is being being bullied because of their race. Is it racist?

Thank you.

I am British but I honestly feel like I’ve been transported to another dimension. I know people fro across the board in RL but no-one I know speaks in these terms. I didn’t mean it like that at the time but fuck me i wasn’t wrong about the farage thing

so maybe I missed some obvious shit stirring.

I think you did.

Racism is treating someone unfairly on the basis of their race.

CRT, however, does not recognise that description of racism. CRT claims that only white people can be racist because only white people have power. They claim that racism is inherent to whiteness, because white people always have power over black people. CRT says that it's not a question of whether there is racism in any interaction between white and black people, only how that racism manifests itself.

As you can see, CRT is a load of racist bollocks. I really wouldn't concern yourself with anything The Winter has to say about it.

There seems to be quite the rash of people saying things they don't mean on this thread.

You're all bigots. I didn't mean it. Wait, I did mean it after all. Good job you're so smart, The Winter, and none of us can read words and understand what they mean.

Careful readers will note @WinterDeWinter hasn't actually said much beyond gleefully slurring people. She hasn't explained where this "horrendous" wrongthink is.

I'm currently catching up, it's a real page turner. Who will be revealed as the racist bigot, without really knowing any of our ethnic backgrounds... I'm currently guessing it was the cook in the library with the candlestick

Well, this bodes ill for the book club. Reading words would be a prerequisite!

Oh so you think that a cook will be racist, just because she's working class? Wait, you might be right. I heard that cook voted for Brexit. She probably stole the candlestick from an immigrant.