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Dept for Ed abandoning schools over children confused about their sex.

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 04/02/2023 20:54

A timely article from the Daily Mail quoting amongst others, the excellent Safe Schools Alliance about the total failure of the DfE to issue advice to schools about dealing with children confused about their sex. In the absence of this adult transactivists have stepped in with queer theory, anti safeguarding, adult centred "advice" that's doing so much harm to children:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11713447/Education-officials-accused-abandoning-teachers-opposed-pupils-changing-gender-young.html

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MalagaNights · 04/02/2023 21:00

I am so angry and frustrated with the government about this.

I know LAs who are now recommending Gendered Intelligence in place of Mermaids.
And professionals in LAs waiting for clear government advice for schools so they can intervene and get this stuff out of schools.

Why are they dragging their heels on this. They're still not prepared to go all out and name the madness are they?

After all Kemi Badenoch and Suella Braverman said they are still prevaricating.

ScrollingLeaves · 04/02/2023 21:13

You can see what Suella Braverman said here. It is so frustrating to learn it doesn’t even make any difference.

Equalities and rights: Conflict and the need for clarity - GOV.UK

www.gov.uk/government/speeches/equalities-and-rights-conflict-and-the-need-for-clarity

MrsOvertonsWindow · 04/02/2023 21:14

Spot on MalagaNights. It's the typical tory shambles, countless changes of Secretary of State culminating in the completely out of her depth Keegan with the added problem that she's a Stonewall captured nonentity.
The DfE were captured long ago so everything that comes out of them is overseen by trans activists. The idea of centring safeguarding, listening to the warnings from Cass, understanding professional boundaries or taking a look at the real life consequences as evidenced in Scotland this week are not allowed.
So more and more children get caught up in this while the adults who are capable of putting in place boundaries and know how to deal with mentally fragile children in school are deskilled and accused of bigotry.

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ResisterRex · 04/02/2023 21:18

I was just reading and re-reading this. Is it right that an unnamed ex-Minister has effectively blown the whistle? Whoever gave these quotes isn't named?

If that's right, then I think this is quite big. It suggests top Tories have lost patience at least, and maybe even suggests frustration with the current crop of DfE Ministers. Which includes Keegan. And I think some people are going to have to move round as Donelan will go on maternity leave, plus isn't the party chairman role vacant?

That section of the article:

"a senior minister accused education officials of 'abandoning' teachers opposed to pupils changing gender too young.

Despite clear advice being issued by the Attorney General six months ago, making it clear that teachers can, for example, refuse to allow a biologically male child, who identifies as a trans girl, to wear a girls' uniform, or to stop the same child from participating in girls' single sex sporting activities, school staff have complained to Whitehall that they are being barred by schools from doing so.

The minister told the Mail on Sunday: 'Many teachers feel that they want to do more to push the stop button when they see children questioning their gender, and it is clear that they have the legal right to do so, but they feel under pressure to keep quiet. They are being abandoned.'"

MrsOvertonsWindow · 04/02/2023 21:25

I believe there's quite a lot of action behind the scenes as countless parents start complaining to MPs about the capture of schools by Stonewall, Gendered Intelligence, Mermaids, GIRES, Global Butterflies, Proud Trust & countless other adult groups making a living out of foolish teachers not exercising due diligence about who they're employing and the toxic messages they're selling to children.

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AutumnCrow · 04/02/2023 21:31

Gillian Keegan is an absolute liability for the Tories.

ScrollingLeaves · 04/02/2023 21:49

I believe there's quite a lot of action behind the scenes as countless parents start complaining to MPs about the capture of schools by Stonewall, Gendered Intelligence, Mermaids, GIRES, Global Butterflies, Proud Trust & countless other adult groups making a living out of foolish teachers not exercising due diligence about who they're employing and and the toxic messages they're selling to children.

The petition against teaching LGBT in schools has reached nearly 300,000 in three weeks while, for contrast, the one about the Equality Act is at about 78,500 after twice as long. We may think the petitioners are bigoted but we don’t know what they’ve been seeing their children taught, at what young ages, and the trans trenching may be the last straw.

Then there is the born again Christian mother suing her 4 year old’s school because the headmistress (and her tra activist PHD-writing-on-phalluses slogan T shirted daughter) say the child must attend a Pride march or else get some sort of official black mark against her name. This is on another thread.

ScrollingLeaves · 04/02/2023 21:50

That was replying to MrsOvertonsWindow · Today 21:25

ScrollingLeaves · 04/02/2023 21:52

AutumnCrow · Today 21:31
Gillian Keegan is an absolute liability for the Tories.

Given what Rishi just said about women being biological etc he has made a big mistake having her in that job.

Needmoresleep · 05/02/2023 00:44

The article struck me as a message to Keegan. Shape up or ship out.

Things are happening fast. Rishi's statement. Nicola's travails. Keegan's current stance is untenable.

TooBigForMyBoots · 05/02/2023 00:56

AutumnCrow · 04/02/2023 21:31

Gillian Keegan is an absolute liability for the Tories.

She's not a liability for the Tories, she's a fucking danger to our girls.Angry

Whatsnewpussyhat · 05/02/2023 01:34

The problem isn't teaching about the LGB, it's the TQ. Children do not need to learn about queer theory and adult sexual paraphilias and utter nonsense about picking a fucking 'gender identity', and our girls should not be being told that their sex based boundaries are 'phobic'.

TooBigForMyBoots · 05/02/2023 02:57

A fish rots from the head down. Gillian Keegan is not the first TWAW believing TRA to be Conservative Minister for Education.

Needmoresleep · 05/02/2023 03:40

Who is the shadow secretary for education. Time for them to start calling Keegan out?

Or the Civil Servants advising her.

The good thing is that it looks as if, fromthe Mail article, Keegans own front bench colleagues have started to.

TooBigForMyBoots · 05/02/2023 03:48

PM Sunak needs to get rid of her and all the genderwoo the Tories have written into policy since 2017. The buck stops and started with them.

Deeds not words.

Needmoresleep · 05/02/2023 04:48

The one thing we need is stability. The review is in place. Clear legal advice has been given. Guidance now needs to be issued, and the article suggests that colleagues are telling Keegan that she needs to get on with it.

But she alone is not the problem. You have Educational Authorities, Headteachers, Civil Servants. Self ID is not law, and the Government has been clear for over a year that it will not become law.

Toobig, you previously said you were a Civil Servant. You will know how it works. Keegan has not been in post for long enough to have created the problem. Yes she should have moved faster to clamp down on the genderwoo in schools, but given the PM only came out with his statement last week, she can be given some leeway.

And also, even if she does issue something, and the pressure is clearly on her to do so, are you confident that education authorities and schools will jump up and take notice. Reversing this is going to take time. The tanker is turning. Sacking people without giving them a chance to deliver will not help.

As important, I suspect, in getting action through the system will be for the Shadow Education Secretary, Bridget Phillipson, to make it clear that she wants schools to stop this indoctrination of children and young people. Otherwise the system will drag its heels, confident of a Labour Government in two years. Has Phillipson given an indication of where she stands and what her approach will be?

ResisterRex · 05/02/2023 06:31

The article struck me as a message to Keegan. Shape up or ship out.

The problem isn't teaching about the LGB, it's the TQ. Children do not need to learn about queer theory and adult sexual paraphilias and utter nonsense about picking a fucking 'gender identity', and our girls should not be being told that their sex based boundaries are 'phobic'.

the system will drag its heels, confident of a Labour Government in two years. Has Phillipson given an indication of where she stands and what her approach will be?

All of these are key points. Phillipson did the double interview with Starmer? But he was the one who answered those questions IIRC. Would need to go back and check.

ResisterRex · 05/02/2023 06:43

Just seen this which is the Sunday Times comment on the SNP self-ID disaster. It seems not a million miles from the DfE's problems with this bloody guidance!

"...important though feelings are, they are not more important than rights. Women have the right to safety, and biological males do not have the right to enter women-only spaces. It really is no more complicated than that."

SNP trans fiasco highlights the dangers of groupthink

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/8312c010-a4c4-11ed-9d5c-69bd3c5b98b3?shareToken=98695ac2111619f906a0997cf79ae109

MrsOvertonsWindow · 05/02/2023 08:20

TooBigForMyBoots · 05/02/2023 02:57

A fish rots from the head down. Gillian Keegan is not the first TWAW believing TRA to be Conservative Minister for Education.

Spot on TooBig. I've been writing to some of them for years. One letter to a previous minister about safeguarding, generated his view that mixed sex toilets in schools were very inclusive!
This government's completely failed to understand the issue and protect children. The only hope is that (in the article) that Keegan is working with The Minister for Women & Equalities - Kemi Badenoch.

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FOJN · 05/02/2023 08:54

The department has committed to put any new rules to a public consultation, allowing trans rights lobbying groups to swamp Whitehall with objections that further delay the introduction of the new guidelines.

I'm losing patience with this now. Yes government depts were captured long before most of us knew what was happening but now we do know there can be no excuses for not taking action.

If you need to publicly consult on safeguarding then existing policies were not up to scratch or someone somewhere still holds the view that safeguarding for gender confused children should be different.

We need a blanket ban on activist organisations playing any part in education.

ResisterRex · 05/02/2023 09:06

They tried swamping the self-ID consultation though. Didn't work. Also when / if this magical consultation does come out, we need to look very carefully at it to see how it can be gamed. And then point that out in our responses and copy it to our MPs.

ValancyRedfern · 05/02/2023 09:49

Most teachers are still fully captured. My Deputy Head completely disregarded Suelle Braverman because he said she has form for lying. (He is Irish and I think there was an issue related to Northern Ireland?)

ResisterRex · 05/02/2023 10:12

There's also this mysterious petition. In 19 days, a date for debate will be announced.

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/630932?reveal_response=yes#response-threshold

Malcolm Clark wrote a really good thread on it

twitter.com/twisterfilm/status/1615782695744974848?s=46&t=VQimaD3LzOcyZXI1wNJXqg

ScrollingLeaves · 05/02/2023 10:20

TooBigForMyBoots · Today 03:48
PM Sunak needs to get rid of her and all the genderwoo the Tories have written into policy since 2017. The buck stops and started with them.

Deeds not words
It is up to them, but please would you explain what gender legislation they wrote?

I know they are responsible for the present guidance for schools which includes teaching “gender identity” which is so wrong.

What else have they written ?

Labour made the GRC and the Equality Act.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 05/02/2023 10:28

As I see it ScrollingLeaves, the government have written very little for schools - which is the problem. They've repeatedly refused to produce a suggested curriculum so busy schools turn to organisations (some with DfE funding and approval). These organisations produce their queer theory inspired "curriculum" and offer lucrative training and materials.
All because of the tories hands off approach. It's infuriating.

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