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"Experts" say MTF womb transplants only a few years away?

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HootyMcboob76 · 03/02/2023 14:26

www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11692871/How-womb-transplant-work-trans-women-born-men.html

Fertility "experts" seem to think a uterus is just a "plug n play" organ that just needs wired in.
What about the cascade of ever changing hormones at the right time in a pregnancy to sustain the foetus?

Never going to happen.

Even if it WERE possible, what about the ethical considerations for the child?
Safety of potential foetuses?

If this actually ever happens I think it's time to start praying for the asteroid.

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 03/02/2023 14:31

There was a time when doctors wanting to carry out live experiments on babies were pariahs. Now they find a home with ease. Sad

nauticant · 03/02/2023 14:31

This is what I cut and paste whenever this gruesome subject comes up:

This business of uterine "transplants" into men appears to be about science but it is not. It's about getting the idea out there that men can give birth too, but not just yet, there are a few technical details to be sorted out first. So while we're waiting for the inevitable, let's get on with the social sciences side of things and accept that since men can give birth too (not yet, but soon, soon, it's bound to happen), then there are no real differences between men and women in terms of things that are material and significant, they're just bodies with an interchangeable set of parts. The actual significant differences are surface ones like the chosen forms of appearance.

It is about trying to change how people think by assuming a medical horror is a run-of-the-mill thing just round the corner. It's Overton Window stuff, not science.

nauticant · 03/02/2023 14:32

That's a nice pair of Overton Windows this thread has.

Boiledbeetle · 03/02/2023 14:33

Literally over my dead body! Then.

This is wrong. Very wrong

Justsurfing · 03/02/2023 14:35

This just makes me want to vomit 😓

Itisbetter · 03/02/2023 14:35

Have there been successful uterus transplants between women?

PuttingDownRoots · 03/02/2023 14:36

How is that ethically possible?

Presumably it would need testing on animals first... can see animal rights having a field day there

Then human trials... adults involved would be willing participants... but experimenting on a foetus no way.

BoredOfThisMansWorld · 03/02/2023 14:37

Contrast this shite with being a pregnant woman ordering a pint in a pub or trying to buy antihistamine at a pharmacy.

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HootyMcboob76 · 03/02/2023 14:37

Hopefully some ethics committee, somewhere, will stop this in in tracks if there ever does seem to be the possibility of these experiments beginning.

Articles like this are so full of inaccuracies which is annoying, because it suggests to the lay person that men can become women in every way imaginable, just a bit of tweaking here and there.

The article evens suggests that they may want to keep their transplanted uteri to experience "menstruation". How will that work then? No ovaries? No eggs? No hormonal cascade? Uterus attached to what ligaments? So many questions......

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ErrolTheDragon · 03/02/2023 14:39

Itisbetter · 03/02/2023 14:35

Have there been successful uterus transplants between women?

I think so, but afaik it's only a limited term transplant.

AlwaysGinPlease · 03/02/2023 14:41

Exactly why I opted out of organ donation a while back when I read of such a sickening plan.

BasilParsley · 03/02/2023 14:42

Where would they get the uteri from? Will they be artificial ones or plucked straight from a still-warm dead adult human female body?

TightFistedWozerk · 03/02/2023 14:43

We need to remember that for men, the penis type, the proposed procedure is an implant. An important distinction; this ties in with nauticant's post upthread.

InterestingUsernameTBC · 03/02/2023 14:43

PuttingDownRoots · 03/02/2023 14:36

How is that ethically possible?

Presumably it would need testing on animals first... can see animal rights having a field day there

Then human trials... adults involved would be willing participants... but experimenting on a foetus no way.

When they did experiments in mice they had to stitch a whole, live, pregnant female mouse to the male in order for him to parasitically use her hormonal environment to sustain his pregnancy. Amazingly, they did get viable foetuses that were able to develop right through to adulthood.

bioedge.org/uncategorized/male-mice-give-birth-in-bizarre-chinese-experiment/

DrDinosaur · 03/02/2023 14:44

This article demonstrates the current position of science in regard to male pregnancy:

www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-9696597/Chinese-scientists-force-male-rats-BIRTH.html

Looks like more than a few years off to me.

MrsTerryPratchett · 03/02/2023 14:44

BoredOfThisMansWorld · 03/02/2023 14:37

Contrast this shite with being a pregnant woman ordering a pint in a pub or trying to buy antihistamine at a pharmacy.

Well quite. Massive amounts of anti-rejection drugs and presumably hormones and goodness know what else? Fine. A glass of wine? You're a monster.

But yes, this is actually about moving the Overton window.

DrDinosaur · 03/02/2023 14:44

sorry crosspost!

SleekMamma · 03/02/2023 14:45

The ethics committees will all be infiltrated by TRAs like everything else has.
The bullying is working and sensible people are staying quiet.
I'm not on the organ donor register any more. Really sad but true.

CoastalHeart · 03/02/2023 14:46

There have been successful transplants between women, but if I remember right, the uterus is removed almost immediately after birth. (Feel free to correct me if anyone knows more in depth about that, of course.)

The ethics of that situation aside, this is absolutely ridiculous. Women get hounded for all sorts of behavior when pregnant, right down to taking life-saving medication for their own health, never mind the mortality rates when it comes to maternal deaths (thinking specifically here in the USA). The medication to keep this going, the hormones used in HRT, suddenly there’s no concern about the effects on the fetus. Why is this a priority, when women’s health lags in terms of scientific endeavor and study?

Absolutely blows my mind when there are far more pressing issues in medical innovation, not treating body parts like plug in installations.

yourhairiswinterfire · 03/02/2023 14:46

Presumably it would need testing on animals first

Does anyone remember that repulsive experiment they did to get a male rat (or maybe it was a mouse) pregnant...they had to stitch the male and a female together at the belly 🤮

It came up on a previous uterus implant thread.

Ruffpuff · 03/02/2023 14:47

There are enough issues with organ transplantation. How on earth is the male body supposed to adapt to an organ it shouldn’t have? So many lives are going to be put at great risk.
Also, where are they going to get the wombs from? It’s been assumed already that bio women will be happy to just to donate- again no thoughts towards women in this at all. I’m assuming that most women who have hysterectomies don’t do it for fun, they do it because the have an issue with their wombs, etc. Presumably they’d need a healthy, young ish womb to work with to achieve the best outcome…and where are all these wombs going to come from? Will there be political campaigns from Mermaids encouraging young women to ‘donate’? I imagine so.

I know there’s been some positive outcomes with organs being grown from stem cells. Until they can grow wombs in jars this is going to make me feel incredibly under threat as a bio woman.

onedayiwillmissthis · 03/02/2023 14:50

BasilParsley · 03/02/2023 14:42

Where would they get the uteri from? Will they be artificial ones or plucked straight from a still-warm dead adult human female body?

Perhaps they think transmen will "donate" them? Be happy to get rid...along with their breasts.

A last grand gesture to 'be kind' before they magically become men!

nilsmousehammer · 03/02/2023 14:51

"Bollocks" say "Other Experts".

SleekMamma · 03/02/2023 14:53

Right enough, isn't there stats showing that organ donation works better between the same sex. That fascinated me. At a chromeosome level the body knows what's alien. No way could a male body successfully gestate a baby.
The whole concept is utterly repulsive