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"Experts" say MTF womb transplants only a few years away?

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HootyMcboob76 · 03/02/2023 14:26

www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11692871/How-womb-transplant-work-trans-women-born-men.html

Fertility "experts" seem to think a uterus is just a "plug n play" organ that just needs wired in.
What about the cascade of ever changing hormones at the right time in a pregnancy to sustain the foetus?

Never going to happen.

Even if it WERE possible, what about the ethical considerations for the child?
Safety of potential foetuses?

If this actually ever happens I think it's time to start praying for the asteroid.

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NicolaSturgeonsSOGIbottom · 03/02/2023 18:22

onedayiwillmissthis · 03/02/2023 14:50

Perhaps they think transmen will "donate" them? Be happy to get rid...along with their breasts.

A last grand gesture to 'be kind' before they magically become men!

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Testosterone use causes female reproductive organs to atrophy.

it would mean making hysterectomy MUCH earlier in the transition timeline for natal girls (a make a later detransition more difficult).

I believe for transplant a uterus needs to have cervix and top section of vaginal canal removed with it, which is more than in a straightforward hysterectomy op.

PerkingFaintly · 03/02/2023 18:29

nauticant · 03/02/2023 14:31

This is what I cut and paste whenever this gruesome subject comes up:

This business of uterine "transplants" into men appears to be about science but it is not. It's about getting the idea out there that men can give birth too, but not just yet, there are a few technical details to be sorted out first. So while we're waiting for the inevitable, let's get on with the social sciences side of things and accept that since men can give birth too (not yet, but soon, soon, it's bound to happen), then there are no real differences between men and women in terms of things that are material and significant, they're just bodies with an interchangeable set of parts. The actual significant differences are surface ones like the chosen forms of appearance.

It is about trying to change how people think by assuming a medical horror is a run-of-the-mill thing just round the corner. It's Overton Window stuff, not science.

Thank you so much for reposting your words, nauticant.

They stuck in my mind the first time round, and I've been wanting to reread and remind myself in detail. Your insight on this is keen.

stbrandonsboat · 03/02/2023 18:30

I expect there's plenty of autistic girls who can be coerced into parting with their uteruses before they embark on the 'becoming a man' process. Those, and poor women, who'll be forced to sell theirs to pay for their energy bills.

Pity the scientists can't put the same amount of effort into finding a proper treatment for painful endometriosis.

I opted out of organ donation a few years ago when this started being talked about.

FionnulaTheCooler · 03/02/2023 18:32

Would someone born male actually be able to gestate a foetus without causing severe damage to their internal organs? There's a reason female adult pelvises are wider than males' and that's to give space to a growing foetus isn't it?

NicolaSturgeonsSOGIbottom · 03/02/2023 18:32

Itisbetter · 03/02/2023 14:35

Have there been successful uterus transplants between women?

A few, but they have been performed on women with MRKH who had their own ovaries and vaginal canals and just needed the uterus.

After a successful pregnancy ending in caesarean delivery the uterus is removed.

The donors have almost exclusively been the mothers of the recipients, which presumably helps lower the post transplant rejection risk as the woman herself was once inside the uterus that Is now inside her!
The donors are of menopausal age, have completed their own families and have an emotional investment in agreeing to donate (a possible grand baby).

Very different situation to the sort of weirdo sci-fi ideas of putting the uterii of unknown girls into men who say they are women.

StressedToTheMaxxx · 03/02/2023 18:49

If, down the line, this were to go ahead, I would hope that these men wouldn't be taking up valuable spaces on surgical NHS waiting lists ahead of those who need operations for medical reasons.

Tinner01 · 03/02/2023 19:03

nauticant · 03/02/2023 14:31

This is what I cut and paste whenever this gruesome subject comes up:

This business of uterine "transplants" into men appears to be about science but it is not. It's about getting the idea out there that men can give birth too, but not just yet, there are a few technical details to be sorted out first. So while we're waiting for the inevitable, let's get on with the social sciences side of things and accept that since men can give birth too (not yet, but soon, soon, it's bound to happen), then there are no real differences between men and women in terms of things that are material and significant, they're just bodies with an interchangeable set of parts. The actual significant differences are surface ones like the chosen forms of appearance.

It is about trying to change how people think by assuming a medical horror is a run-of-the-mill thing just round the corner. It's Overton Window stuff, not science.

That’s the thing, TRAs believe that sex is just a matter of “bits” that can be changed like Lego pieces to fit their erroneous notions of gender (which is extremely important to them), when us rational people know that sex (which is and should be irrelevant in most situations) goes right down to every cell in your body.

nauticant · 03/02/2023 19:07

FionnulaTheCooler · 03/02/2023 18:32

Would someone born male actually be able to gestate a foetus without causing severe damage to their internal organs? There's a reason female adult pelvises are wider than males' and that's to give space to a growing foetus isn't it?

Don't assume that every transwoman who would express an interest would be doing it with carrying a baby in mind. There will be some who would be content to go down that route so they could say that because they've got a uterus tucked away in their body, serving no purpose, then this shows that women's reproductive systems are not a female thing.

Phrenologistsfinger · 03/02/2023 19:11

You’d need to transplant the entire immune system, of which the uterus is a significant part. Our system is different - it needs to be strong at the right time and lower at others. It’s why women are more prone to autoimmune issues. They can’t even get all of us infertiles with a uterus and a female immune system pregnant, it’s never going to work for dudes!

blueskies94 · 03/02/2023 19:13

Soubriquet · 03/02/2023 15:16

No way can it work without a shit ton of artificial hormones.

Which can’t be ethical for a baby.

Im an organ donor, but I’m gonna change mine to not donate my uterus

What do you think happens in IVF pregnancies? I have a "shit ton" of hormones ready to take after my embryo transfer, is that unethical?

Pearfacebanana · 03/02/2023 19:14

Isn't it funny how this may be considered possible but a cure for endometriosis or PCOS not?!

SheSeemsToHaveAnInvisibleTouch · 03/02/2023 19:19

I just bloody hope this is not available on the NHS

MrsTerryPratchett · 03/02/2023 19:24

Pearfacebanana · 03/02/2023 19:14

Isn't it funny how this may be considered possible but a cure for endometriosis or PCOS not?!

Basically, 'fuck off with your faulty women-womb'. Depressing, is t it?

stbrandonsboat · 03/02/2023 19:25

Are transmen going to get transplanted penises then? I somehow think they won't.

Pearfacebanana · 03/02/2023 19:29

stbrandonsboat · 03/02/2023 19:25

Are transmen going to get transplanted penises then? I somehow think they won't.

Maybe they could pair up and do a swapsies?

Chenford · 03/02/2023 19:34

Another who has updated their organ donation preferences today to specify what I am prepared to donate (and thus, not); as well as telling my husband ‘not even over my dead body…..’

MrsTerryPratchett · 03/02/2023 19:35

stbrandonsboat · 03/02/2023 19:25

Are transmen going to get transplanted penises then? I somehow think they won't.

There are 'daisy chain' kidney transplants. Maybe that. But with knobs.

stbrandonsboat · 03/02/2023 19:36

Pearfacebanana · 03/02/2023 19:29

Maybe they could pair up and do a swapsies?

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Brilliant idea 😂

Emmelina · 03/02/2023 19:37

It’s not a new thing they’re working on. I applied for a part time assistant job at a lab while at uni 20+ years ago (when I realised what it was I declined the job offer!) but essentially they were doing medical experiments on mice, one mentioned was womb transplants to potentially help women who’ve had to have hysterectomies to bear their own children. It’s sad this seems to have jumped to “helping biological males to carry children”.

Grimchmas · 03/02/2023 19:40

@AlwaysGinPlease you can consent to specific organs and refuse others. If that's your keenly objection to organ donation, perhaps you would reconsider and do that? I've consented to eyes, lungs and so on, all individually, for this exact reason.

SinnerBoy · 03/02/2023 20:05

BasilParsley · Today 14:53

But then it seems a lot of transmen want to keep their non-manly bits so they can have a baby for themselves anyway...

This thing is a horror show, it's been proposed for decades. In the mid 90s, there was an article - possibly in the New Scientist - and it was discussed in a biology lecture. Our lecturer said, "First step, total castration. How many men will agree to that"?

There was no mention of TIMs. at the time.

It's extremely unethical, as far as I see it. It's entirely unnecessary to boot. And looking at the survival figures for the rats, who could pass that for human beings? No, No, no. It's the most deranged, sick part of transw demands for the rest of society to validate their delicate fucking feelings.

walkinthewoodstoday · 03/02/2023 20:42

How do you opt out. Important please.

ReunitedThorns · 03/02/2023 20:59

They did this with Lili Elbe, this is what killed him.

Stardu · 03/02/2023 21:01

AlwaysGinPlease · 03/02/2023 14:41

Exactly why I opted out of organ donation a while back when I read of such a sickening plan.

I did too ☹️

I don’t mind giving a kidney to save a life but I don’t want weirdos cutting up my lady parts out of curiosity in the name ot scientific research.

Baldieheid · 03/02/2023 21:19

AlwaysGinPlease · 03/02/2023 14:41

Exactly why I opted out of organ donation a while back when I read of such a sickening plan.

I'm ashamed to say that I've recently opted out too. I appreciate that this is currently science fiction, but this along with the cadaver surrogacy fantasy the other day.....nope. I'm out, for the time being. I'm sick about it but I cannot support something that should be good being twisted into a frankensteinish horror show. I hope it's just nonsense but atm, I won't risk it.

I didn't believe I'd ever see rapists in women's prisons either, yet here we are...