T7mp has spotted an electoral opportunity. I fucking warned US friends and family

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T7ump has come out against the TRA mania. The fucking stupid Democrats have handed this to him on a fucking plate because they are too cowardly to face down the TRA maniacs in the party.
The house is on fire. And they won't fucking help. But that bastard will.
Jesus Fucking Christ I am so angry and disappointed.

Tukmgru · Yesterday 23:09
Anyone that votes for trump hates women. I’m sorry but it’s fucking insane to back the guy who effectively overturned Roe v Wade through his Supreme Court choices, not to mention his lechery and his validation of every incel and woman hating community across America.

If you don’t like the democrats because of what they say on trans stuff then fine. But fuck you if you vote for trump based on it

There is another thread on Trump’s speech on FWR posted yesterday. It includes another video of de Santis who pipped T to the post on this issue a while ago, and is young and popular.

There was also a recent post on that thread pointing out how the Democrats had ample chance to put abortion rights into the constitution but never did.

“Trump has peaked”
www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4733361-trump-has-peaked

The interesting post about how the Democrats did not protect abortion rights adequately by enshrining it in federal law, when they had had ample opportunity, was this morning.

ANameChangePresents · Yesterday 23:04

Gonna say, avoiding typing his name comes off as a bit...

J. Lord Dampnut is a nice anagram, which he hates.

God, it's awful, isn't it? So many people in so many countries, who are unable to vote for the party they would naturally vote for, because of all this hateful madness. I don't know what to do, but spoil my ballot.

Well it's not dissimilar here is it?

I want the Tories out but I can't vote Labour until starmer and the party stop trampling on women's rights with the trans maddness.

He's reading that speech, I doubt he wrote it. Is it that he suddenly spotted an opportunity or is this just ne next phase in a grand master plan?

His master plan is spotting and exploiting opportunities and he's very good at it.

He could barely string a coherent sentence together when he left office.

I’m glad I’m not stuck with the two choices that Americans have.

I think the question that should be asked, which is the one that got people saying KJK is anti-abortion, is what have the democrats done to protect against roe v wade getting overturned. Everyone knew the republicans were trying to get their people on the Supreme Court to overturn it. It was happening for years. The democrats did nothing to stop that. They didn’t try and get the write protected centrally. So now women have to rely on local state legislation.

You can lay the blame at Trumps feet but I think it's worth remembering that both Obama and Biden promised federal law which would secure abortion rights for women which would have made Roe Vs Wade redundant. They both had opportunities to accomplish that but didn't.

I seem to recall that when Trump commented on RvW being overturned he said it was a bad idea.

He's guilty of an awful lot worthy of condemnation but the Democrats knew the risk to RvW and did nothing.

I’m glad I’m not stuck with the two choices that Americans have

This!

What exactly do the Democrats do that is so left wing?

Hilary Clinton was a war-monger and Biden is too.

@FOJN exactly this. The Democrats have held women with the thread of "we will codify Roe". And they never did. Because they were afraid of the Christian Right backlash.

They don't care about women at all.

I have family and friends in the US, it’s really mad how TWAW has become a political absolute for those on the “left”.
People I’ve known all my life who I know to be thoughtful, critical and broad minded really will not veer from the official line, even amongst good friends. It’s bizarre.

As pps have said, hopefully Trump’s speech will drive this into the open to be discussed more candidly by the democratic leaning, but I fear it will only entrench it further, and frankly the Democrats as they are are so unappealing.

Wonder why it's taken the GOP and Tories so long to see the ball and the empty net? I'd talk about it 24/7/ 365 if I was them. It's not as if they have anything else to say.

As for the Democrats. They were going to close Guantanamo. They were going to stop gerrymandering. Make Puert Rico a state. Enshrine Roe v Wade forever. Build a decent health service. Yadda yadda.

Labour are a bit luckier : they are not in power. This shit is happening on the Tories watch still.

smileladiesplease · Today 12:21

I want the Tories out but I can't vote Labour until starmer and the party stop trampling on women's rights with the trans maddness.

Yes, that's why I'll be writing a message on my ballot paper.

Women's rights are completely out of fashion in the Western world, so there are no mainstream parties which would raise their heads over the parapet.

All sorts of small signs show this to me, such as the dying-with-a-whimper attempts to get more women and girls interested in the STEM fields (one organisation is closing its doors due to lack of corporate funding), the very large number of young people who view women as a privileged group now, the way intersectional feminism is so often interpreted in a way which removes sex out of the intersections completely, so that feminism is often now all about other issues (which affect males and females in similar ways) etc.

If Afghanistan and Iran weren't in the news nobody would even mention sex-based oppression, always listed as one of the three main axes of oppression, the others being race and class.

The US is very polarised and politics is extremely tribal, so the Democrats can't agree with the Republicans on anything in gender politics, and vice versa.

All the Republican candidates will too.

They only need 3 states to swing back to red.

Both Georgia and Arizona were won by Biden with around 10,000 more popular votes than Trump.

Now consider Virginia. Trump or deSantis goes there and says “remember when a good citizen of Virginia was arrested on the nightly news because his daughter was raped and the Democrat-elected authorities did NOTHING?”

Virginia swings back red. Biden loses.

This is really a story about the Democrats increasingly losing their constituents.

You can go right back to Michael Moore's speech before Trump was elected, warning people that it was going to happen. He said that he had talked to many normal people in Michigan, not racists or anything like that, who intended to vote for Trump because he was the only candidate in memory that had stood outside of one of their factories and said that if companies outsources to Mexico, he would slap a significant surcharge on their products for sale in the US. There were people who had largely been stripped of their jobs and a way of life, and what they want is not some kind of better handout, but good work.

It's the same reason the Democrats soon will not be the party of Hispanic voters, with huge shifts towards the Republican party among that group - the Dems take those voters totally for granted and expect them to accept policies that go against their values and beliefs, and worse, they make fun of those values and beliefs.

The values and beliefs of the Democrats now align mainly with those of middle class university educated white voters. And so those are the people who are enthusiastic about their policies. That leaves the door wide open for some other party to represent the rest of the population.

Many of them don't even love Trump, but they think he is more likely to instantiate policies they want. And they are almost certainly correct.

They may or may not have been able to do that. But it's true they don't seem to have tried. Probably because they want it as a wedge issue as much as the Republicans do.

Like it or not, in the American system a lot of decision making is located at the level of the state. In some ways it's more like the EU in that sense, it's an association of states that hold a lot of legislative power. There isn't complete freedom to just decide to make something federal if some states claim powers as properly belonging to them.

don't mistake the genuine transphobia of the far right for anything remotely resembling feminism. they are just as anti-women as they are anti-trans, and want to enforce sexist stereotypes not dismantle them, making sure everyone born female is kept in her subservient place with as few rights to self-determination and autonomy as possible.

the sexism of the tra-captured Democrat party is of a different timbre but is still sexism, which just means there are no non-sexist candidates available and you have to make your choice based on other criteria.

That is true re abortion/ Democrats and the constitution.They used it as a get out and vote thing.

Also true about de Santis. The problem with him is that he is Trump x 1,000. Really scary.

Do everyday Democrat women not get peaked though like left wing women here in the UK?

The US has had the Lea Thomas debacle and the scandal of all those criminals in California being transferred to womens' jails. Doesn't that cause a public outrage across political divides?

DemiColon · Today 01:33

They may or may not have been able to do that. But it's true they don't seem to have tried. Probably because they want it as a wedge issue as much as the Republicans do.

Unfortunately, they're on the wrong side of the wedge, having misjudged the attitudes of most people. Calling people bigots and 'phobes because they don't want them in women's spaces is a vote loser, which they don't seem to have undestood.

No, I don’t think they do, or if so do not share it except very much privately. There will be exceptions but the US is so phenomenally polarized politically, you might be able to put a more sceptical spin on TWAW, but to say TW are not W is likely going to put you in a politically ambiguous zone, which means that “liberals” will consider you a closer Trumpist. That’s my experience anyway. Very very polarized. And it’s getting that way in the U.K. too.

It would be nice to think that Trump talking about this would motivate democratic policy makers to get a shuffle on in revising their stance on the transgender question, but I think it will actually have the opposite effect, and even without the deep polarity between red & blue in the US, how do the democrats do a u-turn from this;

Biden mulvaney

For what it's worth, I have a fair sized group of American friends who are more centrist or to the right in their voting, all well-educated women. This issue has been on their radar for a long time, and they have pretty much the same views as women here. They don't in fact hate women, they are women, and they have daughters. They, like many American women, are moderate to conservative about abortion, though largely pragmatic also, and have a significant variety of opinions about whether it should be something legislated at the state or federal level. They'd all point out that stacking the SC has been something the Dems saw as a great tactic when it worked for them. They have been seriously turned off by a lot of the progressive protesting about abortion which they find extremist and horrible. Like the majority they are not happy to have abortion completely unregulated up to birth.

I don't think any like Trump personally, and some won't vote for him. At least one was originally very against him, but was shocked to hear the media outright lie about a speech he gave to make him look horrible, which was a huge political shift for her. They are all seriously concerned about wider issues in identity politics, and none see how they could ever vote for the Democrats who seem to be doing, in their mind, batshit crazy stuff. They tend to see the Dems as the historic party of racism, right up to Biden himself. Much of which is never reported in the left media.

Which seems to be a similar problem with parties of the left everywhere now. It's such a small tent, if you deviate even a little from their perspectives, they don't seem to want you in there.

DemiColon · Today 10:29
It is interesting to hear that perspective, thank you.