Mumsnet vibrator: for "mothers, women and people with wombs"

[NewBootsAndRanty]

Amongst otherthings that stand out from the article:

"We knew from previous activations with our community that sex and motherhood is a deeply-rooted taboo. The lack of conversation and resources on the topic is leaving women and people with wombs feeling side-lined as sexual beings. At Smile Makers, we have been tackling taboos around female sexuality for over 10 years and that was obviously an important one to remove"

www.mumsnet.com/articles/the-whisperer



Where to start with the language mangling?

[Pudmyboy]

@HiccupHorrendousHaddock

It your vibrator's in your womb, you've gone very wrong somewhere.

😂

[BernardBlacksMolluscs]

i think just the thought of pushing a vibrator all the way into one's womb is giving me pelvic cramps. I'm getting that sick feeling you get when a speculum is being expanded

urgh

how I wish I hadn't clicked on this thread...

[FrancescaContini]

Insulting language

[EarringsandLipstick]

This is shocking from @mnhq 😡

[nepeta]

This is what happens when you try to be inclusive to two different definitional systems.

So "women and people with wombs" is probably now a way to give a nod to those who regard women as a biological reality and also to those who do not but have female bodies.
I base this on seeing similar women - and - some body part havers constructs in some feminist contexts (like trying to eat your cake and having it too), where it's an attempt to be inclusive in a rather extreme and illogical way.

But it still does not work, because those who view 'women' as an abstract identity include some people with prostates in that definition, and as others have noted a womb is not an erogenous zone so 'people with clitorises' would be more appropriate.

There is no logical way of combining two quite different definitional systems. That's why adding 'nonbinary' to 'male' and 'female' in forms does not work as a simple addition, but changes the meanings of 'male' and 'female' to mere identities, too.

[Moopsi]

Awful, awful branding. Like something the idiots on The Apprentice would have come up with.







Not only that, it's actually pretty offensive to say that sex in motherhood is a taboo, let alone that a sex toy is for people with wombs. Wombs have nothing to do with sexual function.

Massive fail.

[Slothtoes]

What a load of utter shit
That can only have been written by a ma!
WTF do they think a vibrator's going to be doing in your womb?

[Boiledbeetle]

@IcakethereforeIam

Don't remind me, Amazon have been sending me some very strange emails just for looking at them. If IW actually bought some, it might be the follow up marketing that aggravated the strangeness.

Well in the same search as the cervixes ?! Does it have a plural? they threw up knitting patterns. Since which time no cervix for me, but small boys jumpers patterns.

I think I've bought that much odd shit I've broken their algorithm!

[SpareHeirOverThere]

@DontAskIDontKnow

If it’s a vibrator, WTF has a womb got to do with it?

This was my first thought. If you're trying to use it on your womb, I fear you won't get the results you're after.

[beastlyslumber]

How is sex and motherhood taboo? How do they think you get to be a mother in the first place?

[Boiledbeetle]

@PlaitBilledDuckyPuss

An earlier version spoke of 'vulva owners' but they seem to have edited that out after feedback on the AIBU thread.

You see i never considered myself the owner of my body parts. If i was I would have opted for a longer warranty.

[Boiledbeetle]

Bugger pressed post by accident. I don't own my body. I am my body

[Boiledbeetle]

@ResisterRex

"The idea of anything entering down there after giving birth is enough to make you cringe."

Cringe?

"motherhood is a deeply-rooted taboo"

No it isn't.

"sex and motherhood is a deeply-rooted taboo"

The two together make a taboo? These days?

"people with wombs feeling side-lined as sexual beings"

Well the advert has certainly dehumanised these "people". "With wombs".

And apart from anything else, the first thing I thought when I saw the picture was that it looks like that slanty nozzle you use on the vacuum cleaner that makes a very loud sound and sucks very hard but seems to be for the skirting board?

Who's that weird bloke jeffery who acts like a child snatcher. That's the garbage he comes out with when taking about periods

[Boiledbeetle]

And apart from anything else, the first thing I thought when I saw the picture was that it looks like that slanty nozzle you use on the vacuum cleaner that makes a very loud sound and sucks very hard but seems to be for the skirting board?

@ResisterRex You really need to work on your sexual fantasies. This one is to realistic

[figmaofmyimagination]

“The idea of anything entering down there after giving birth is enough to make you cringe.”

Honestly this sentence makes me fucking rage. No. NO. I’m a WOMAN. My body is built for all sorts of things including pregnancy, childbirth AND pleasure and I will not let you gaslight me into cringing about any of that.

[orangegato]

Fuck me stop at ‘women’. If you identify as one or were one, count yourself in that if you like but fuck the word salad around women please.

[Twawmyarse2]

These ads have been making me feel slightly nauseous all day - do MN usually advertise vibrators? I’ve never noticed it before?

Agree “smile makers”, “the whisperer” etc are just vomit-inducing and creepy. Bet £100 a man came up with that.

[Slothtoes]

Having a vibrator in your womb would be both agony and extremely dangerous.
Can you imagine sex toy marketing for men ever getting male anatomy this wrong?

[NCSQ]

Imagine the marketing meetings that must have taken place...

[ResisterRex]

I know the weird bloke you mean @Boiledbeetle and I'm not linking to him. I'll have enough nightmares about this womb hoover as it is, thanks!

[postcardpuffin]

Ffs has gender ideology rotted the brains of the people marketing this? As pp have pointed out, the womb hasn’t got anything to do with a vibrator 🙄 Any of “people with a vulva/clitoris/vagina” would be better than “womb”.

And how tf are sex and motherhood joint taboos? If you want a constituency of women who have definitely at some point had some sex, that’s going to be mothers by definition 🤦‍♀️ Even in long centuries past it was assumed that women who had had children knew damn well what sex was, even if unmarried women were presumed not to 😂 These days after decades of everything from the Chippendales to Sex and the City why on earth would mothers think sex was taboo?!?

That must have been written by a man, someone “assigned male at birth”, or a very very inexperienced young woman/“afab” enby 😄

Way back in those frigid and ancient days BG (Before Gender) —the Olden Times that most mothers hail from — it used to be customary to do what was called “market research”, where instead of getting the non-binary interns aged 21 to write your product descriptions, you actually went out and asked some actual potential customers about the product and what they thought about your marketing before you unleashed it on the target audience and risked making a fool of yourself and your business. (I know, right?!? What a bizarre idea!)

[Tinysoxxx]

@ArabellaScott

DRINK

ARSE

FECK

@ArabellaScott not sure what you mean but I sense, like me, it’s because you reckon the language used has unfortunate consequences - as I explained in the post after.

[postcardpuffin]

@Slothtoes

Having a vibrator in your womb would be both agony and extremely dangerous.
Can you imagine sex toy marketing for men ever getting male anatomy this wrong?

Yes indeed - you’d probably die of cervical shock. Not exactly a product recommendation 😂

How TF can a business selling a sex toy get it so wrong about the female body? It’s the equivalent of suggesting that a man shove a buttplug up his urethra. Or wear a fleshlight on his arse.

[ArabellaScott]

Just couldn't resist the opportunity to make a Father Jack joke, Tiny.

[Jibo]

"women and people with wombs" ??? what the hell were MNHQ thinking partnering with this shower?