Benjamin Buttergasp is now a terf

[Mollyollydolly]

Bit of light relief. The Buttergasp has fallen.

On GB News
'You admit [trans women] should not be in women's prisons?'

'Of course they shouldn't.'

'So you're a TERF?'

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I’m not mad keen on a hectoring interview style either (prefer a quiet, Louis Theroux pincer movement) but if you watch the 8 minute segment and not the 4 minute Twitter version it’s a lot more good natured and I suspect Dan and Benjamin are actually pretty friendly towards one another off screen.

The wider context shows Dan being supportive of the women on the panel and finding commonalities between them and Benjamin, and then the bit on Twitter happens, but in context it’s more like Mrs Doyle offering Father Ted a cup of tea than snidey Piers Morgan.

How can he be so unaware that he has done a 180? Any psychoanalysis welcome.

Because he doesn't understand his subject and hasn't actually done any homework so is winging it.

So maybe he has his list of points he wants to make and continues to rehearse them in his head while the ‘opponents’ speak, so he never actually listens, hears or learns.

'I do hate that stupid, hectoring style of interview though'

Oh, totally agree. I'm quite sure that Dan Wootton couldn't give a shiny fig about women's rights, he just smells blood and is having fun, and I sort of don't blame him!

BB threatening to set the lawyers on him 😂 I might die laughing. Yes Ben, it's fucking horrible being called a 'TERF', isn't it?! Welcome to our world!

How can he be so unaware that he has done a 180? Any psychoanalysis welcome.

Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia. Buttergasp has always believed it's wrong to put rapists in women's prisons. How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?

I hate Dan Wootton. But as they say, the enemy of my enemy is my very best fwend.

we Call him Buttergasp because of his gasp when a female interviewee said she didn’t think you could be born in the wrong body. (Sorry I’ve forgotten who she was!) that means he really thought you could. Like a lot of people who lack critical and logical thinking skills, or are just so desperate to be on the supposed moral high ground that they suppress them, BB took in and believed what the trans lobby were saying on the basis that they are an oppressed group exactly like gay people, they must be the experts on their own situation, and it would be bigoted to disagree with them.

There are teachers, health staff, parents and many others still saying you can be born in the wrong body and that a trans person is a poor unfortunate who is literally (for example) female in some deep sense but stuck in a male body. They think that because they were told that by supposedly authoritative sources. Even if those sources have started to backtrack, that idea is out there now being passed on as if it were true.

it’s a long journey from there to really starting to see how it makes no sense, is being exploited by predators, is causing harm, is regressive and sexist and homophobic, and is based on no evidence - especially when it’s been drummed into you that daring to have any questioning thoughts at all makes you a bigot on a par with racists. On that journey a lot of people go through a lot of confusion and cognitive dissonance.

I’m not excusing BB’s past idiocies but he’s just one of millions of people, many of them originally well-meaning, stuck in this mess.

'we Call him Buttergasp because of his gasp when a female interviewee said she didn’t think you could be born in the wrong body'

Oh, it was SO performative and hammy! Cringed for him. Not for the last time either 😊

Dan Wootin is vile, though. A gentler, more articulate and intelligent interviewer could have made paste of benjamin whothefuck. Instead we have a showbiz gossip shouting at him

I don't know who any of those shrill, irritating people are but that is a pretty good description of why I don't watch GB news.

It's a shame because amongst the dross and clickbait there is some good, in-depth coverage of non-mainstream issues.

Now that I've watched the clip, three thoughts:

1. Where the HELL did Buttergasp get that jumper from? My eyes are hurting.
2. I loved Wootton's summing up at the end, referencing the "Decapitate Terfs" sign and reminding us all how Buttergasp has spent years denouncing people who want to protect women from male violence.
3. I wish Wootton had asked the obvious, logical question: "If you think people who have attacked women shouldn't be in the women's estate, then where do you put women who have attacked women? Do they go in the men's estate too - or is there something different about trans women who have attacked women that makes them particularly suited to the men's estate?"

Yep! They've been silenced for too long

I’m just delighted at Carole Malone having WRITTEN NOTES to refer to for transgender sex offender stats (longer clip).

I’d much rather tv talking heads sit around with obvious paper notes than pretend to know it all and get it all wrong.

It’s got much higher viewer stats than average for clips on the GB News Channel.

considering his past actions, there is schadenfreude to be had here.

I also think though, that he and Dan Wooten (who is a shock jock, let's not forget that) have a history of these interchanges.

I've observed the same and I think I may have commented on him in a previous thread. I'm not sure it's about heart though.

I suspect he's typical of many people who without parsing a single critical thought hopped aboard the runaway train as it was gaining steam and are now wondering how to make it stop so they can get off.

There's going to be a lot of Benjamin's in the years to come.

See also Alyn Smith being interviewed this morning.

I noticed that too

That does appear to have been what most of the Trans Rights advocates have been doing for the last decade.

They knew they were right, and on the right side of history.

They had their 'No debate' to stop any questions of their pronouncement.

And of course in their head nothing was ever going to go wrong. They were never going to have to actually stop and think. Because they were right.

They didn't even need to listen to the other side. What was the point they are just bigots and transphobes talking shit.

So yes I reckon BB and all the others have just been doing what you said.

he has his list of points he wants to make and continues to rehearse them in his head while the ‘opponents’ speak, so he never actually listens, hears or learns.

If you are right about this RoyalCorgi, then if the predictions are right, according to that book you asked about in the gleeful thread, then this is good news indeed as it suggests moving beyond a tipping point.

Someone said in the book review comments:

“the state suddenly starts to change very fast and status quo breaks down - e.g. in a few months the communism collapses.

One day only a few people protest against the status quo - like the handful of citizens of DDR in the Dresden churches - then a minor change - like the visit of Gorbachev in the 40 years celebration of DDR - makes the protests to first tenfold and then hundredfold. The public opinions of a huge number of people suddenly - in one week - change because they are no more afraid of expressing their private opinions publicly. The leadership of DDR is not any more motivated to shoot on the protesters.

Soon the institutions - like the police and the border control and the communist party leadership - lose their spirit and the whole system collapses. Not even real communists do anymore dare to express their belief in the system. When beforehand the noncommunists falsified their public opinions, now it is the communists who start to say "I always hated the system in my heart!".”

It's amazing and horrifying watching a dystopian fiction novel come to life.

Just listening to the longer clip; I think butterworth et Al are going to start to say absolutely no TW of any sort in female prisons in order to disassociate the convicted criminals from "normal trans women" in order to keep the bill for self Id and 3 months wait. To get that cognitive dissonance going in peoples' ideas on this.

Not recognising that we cannot predict and rates of offending in women's spaces will go up and they'll also have grcs.

the state suddenly starts to change very fast and status quo breaks down - e.g. in a few months the communism collapses

I think with this particular issue, at the tipping point that collapse could ve especially fast, because once the scales fall from people's eyes and they realise they've been desperately trying to convince themselves of something totally ridiculous, it will be easy to let go of (if embarrassing and involving mucho reverse ferreting). With communism, it still is a political system – shit in practice, but based on a genuine thought process and reasoning. Gender ideology bubble once popped, means nothing.

I’m not mad keen on a hectoring interview style either (prefer a quiet, Louis Theroux pincer movement)

Ooh, I wonder if Louis is thinking he might have backed the wrong horse yet. He said a question to a TW was one of the few things he regretted.

Glorious

The thing is, that males wishing to go into the female estate are 'risk assessed' (sort of.) At least their record is clearly known.

But before their conviction, they were among the males who expect to walk freely into female spaces, hospital wards, to run brownie overnight trips, changing rooms. Beauticians courses where the women are undressed. No risk assessment or gatekeeping, women demanded to take them entirely on trust and good will with shaming and punishment for finding anything they say or do inappropriate, or protesting their presence regardless of behaviour. (See said beautician trainees who had to strip in front of a now convicted double rapist.)

It's over. It is so over.

Not really. I'll believe it's over when I see it. There have been media storms before over various issues. Maybe this one is bigger, but I'm not yet convinced it won't blow over just as the others have.

Butchyrestingface · Today 11:36

But as they say, the enemy of my enemy is my very best fwend.

It may be more accurate to say that the enemy of my enemy is not currently my enemy.