'Nicola Sturgeon and the vindication of the Terfs' by James Kirkup

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Another excellent article by James K in The Spectator & MN moderators - please note I am citing JK's exact title here so I haven't used *

James has always written very clearly about this and has been bang on the money. He wrote nearly five years ago that accepting self-identified gender at face value could lead to policies and practices apt to be exploited by predatory men. And what did I read in the paper only today? That the Scottish Justice Minister Keith Brown (is that the name?) is still saying that they accept people's gender at face value.

But the real reason I wanted to start this thread was this, again James's words:
'... but the names of those women [who have been shouting long & loud about this] should be recorded as they are - sadly - vindicated . Nicola Williams of Fair Play for Women. Ruth Serwotka, Judith Green and many others from Woman's Place UK. Kate Coleman from Keep Prisons Single Sex. Journalists Janice Turner, Sarah Ditum, Helen Joyce, Helen Lewis and - all hail - Julie Bindel. MurrayBlackburnMackenzie. For Women Scotland. Some writer from south Edinburgh called Jo. Mumsnet.'

And amen to all of that. The best of women. 👏❤

Seconded. Brave women the lot of them! Also very decent of him to give recognition and not take the glory.

Also Posie and Magdalen Burns.

James K does say 'I apologise for the fact that this list isn't comprehensive'.

Suzanne Moore

Thank you James! It's great that there are now so many women speaking out, leading organisations and challenging this - too many to capture in one go!
In 2018 he wrote about the Denton's playbook, the dangers & incoherence of which are currently being exposed in Scotland :

www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-document-that-reveals-the-remarkable-tactics-of-trans-lobbyists/

5 flipping years to get the obvious recognised.
Really good article.

Mumnset

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A link for those who'd like to read it:

www.spectator.co.uk/article/nicola-sturgeon-and-the-vindication-of-the-terfs/

There's a few of them that did more harm than good, especially the WPUK lot.

And Kellie Jay certainly deserves recognition.

Fuck only knows what Helen Lewis did.

Thanks for the link!

Every single one of them helped to heave the spotlight to where it is today, pointing right at the absurdity women have been screming about for years.

They might all have their own ways of doing things and their own politics. But I refuse to believe a single one of them did more harm than simply ignoring the issue, keeping quiet or letting men/pedo-apologists/rapists into female safe spaces.

This!
Look where transactivists are now as a result of their single issue #nodbate, TWAW, "He's a woman if he says he is".

Unable to string a coherent sentence together. No nuance. No ability to understand alternative views. They're a joke. The only tactics they have are threats, intimidation and violence.

Archive link for those without a sub: archive.is/sKT9M

Thank you, all.

He's included Ruth 'domestic zombie' Serwotka and left out Magdalen, Maya, Allison and KJK. And the LGB Alliance. Bigged up WPUK, the most divisive women's group that says you're not a feminist if you're not on the far left. I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and say he has no idea rather than assuming he knew and did it purposely. But Helen Lewis? If she's done or said anything much at all it's been so subtle and so 'I don't want to be associated with those second wavers' that no one except Kirkup appears to have noticed.

Inappropriate snurk at the typo 'sex offenders might be willing to disassemble'!

Excellent article. I'm really pleased to see so much coverage, although of course, the spectator has been good on this for a long time.
Mean time, over at the Guardian... I imagine they're still working out how to do their reverse ferret as it'll need some complex choreography to work out the level of acrobatics needed to bring their years-long stance into line. I'm imagining Kath Viner and Owen Jones in 80s workout gear doing their warm ups.

"That the Scottish Justice Minister Keith Brown (is that the name?) is still saying that they accept people's gender at face value."

We just need to do that literally and we'll be sorted. Man's face = man!

We are all vindicated.

Thank you James

And well done all who put their necks on the line over this. We've all played our part to defend women's rights.

im just so grateful for all those women shouting about this years ago when the self ID juggernaut seemed unstoppable & so angry for all the needless suffering & damage that has been caused

👏👏👏👏

What an achievement. I know the fight needs to continue but what an amazing turnaround.

Sharron Davies on Twitter and so so many Scottish women who are part of Women Wont Wheesht, Scottish Suffragettes,For Women Scotland etc.

the Greeks told stories of Cassandra, fated to predict the future but not be believed. That story had to be about a woman, and it’s just been repeated, yet again, over prisons and self-ID.

This made me cry.