Elite sports people speaking up!

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There seems to be an increasing number of sports people speaking up about the problem of males completing in women's sports which is positive. Thought it might be useful to have a thread of those who are risking sticking their heads above the parapet. Obviously the likes of Sharon Davies, Mara Yamauchi and Martina Navratilova have been bravely doing this for sometime but now we appear to have a few current athletes as well who are prepared to risk the mob to ensure women have fair competition. Is it too much to hope for that there will be a snowball effect?

I think Dummydimmer's username may be a clue to how serious those posts are.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13399557/trans-athlete-wins-400m-race-varsity-finals-portland.html?spot_im_scroll_to_comments=true&spot_im_highlight_immediate=true

Another one so ridiculous that you this must be the peak of the mountain!!! In the video, the trans-identified boy is so far ahead that you can't see the girls in the race behind the trans-identified boy !!!

It's ridiculous, but those times in the article are way out. In the video, he wins the race by a good five seconds or so, but according to the times, there's only 0.23 second in it! IIRC, around 56, 57 seconds is what I used to run at school as a 15/16 year old, and I was one of the better runners. I remember I used to think, anything under a minute is pretty good.

I wonder if stories like this have much traction with the US public? Or are they only printed in Trump-supporting media?

https://thebridgehead.ca/2024/05/09/female-athletes-are-forfeiting-rather-than-compete-against-trans-identified-men/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR0-L9NIvlNNqJKFxGSkLCIR3lLReAYtdTEhAe4k4NvsgUBIRtbMBOgWkEQ_aem_ASgaomwaZ5AZieX3MGH_9iwPi_ltKOr4IDH-G4KBOu71jO6czUofOU8YbTywJmaptc5md1Lsdpg9YV3mDSJ0k52e

Schreiner insists, however, that he has no advantage over female competitors, posting that “Out of all the hate that’s been shared of me ‘cheater’ is the most common word used… In my eyes, the discussion of trans inclusion in athletics shouldn’t even be a debate… As more research is done the more evident this becomes. There’s a reason I’m only as fast as I was in middle school, and the only variable that’s changed over my 9 years of running is my medication.”

How do they get away with regurgitating these lies unchallenged? Nobody is saying that they should be excluded. So what if he's slower than he ought to be? He's still much faster than any girl.

“Even as Olympic studies prove the disadvantages of trans athletes, it’s not enough,” he continued.

And that's absolute crap, as we all know. Disadvantaged slightly, compared to other men, but with insurmountable physical advantages over women and girls.

If you don’t think that sport has to be so
competitive, why don’t you focus on the men? They take a larger chunk of sport time and money. Tell them to include the slower and fatter and more uncoordinated people, as well as the women. Make them welcome, halve the prize cheques as it shouldn’t be so incentivised when we’re all here for fun, and tell them to just stop getting so worked up about it all. Go put your energies into that and leave the women who only got sporting competitions relatively recently alone. Dummy and dimmer indeed.

Yeah,it's the taking part that counts after all.

Yeah,it's the taking part that counts after all.

Ridiculous isn't it? All about just taking part except for the women who can no longer take part because their place has been stolen by a man. FFS.

‘Don’t be so competitive’ has been a common weak come back that has been used by people who like to think they can sit on the fence. The reality is, sport is fucking competitive. That is the very nature of sport. If you don’t want to be competitive, why the fuck do you join a team or an event? It is fucking ludicrous as an argument. But we see academics roll it out over social media. So I am sure that those posters who use it think it has merit.

Seriously, if you think sport is for the participation certificate then great. Find a group that lacks any competitive nature to join. Don't fucking tell others who want their sport to remain competing to accept males based on your personal value of not wanting competition. And don’t be surprised when others push back on your suggestions.

Wow talk about aggression! I am not talking to men about this, because I don't expect them to understand the issues. I thought I was talking to grown up women. So much rudeness - my username is a joke, as is obvious. Why the spitefulness? I thought sport is to enjoy but the competitiveness which I deplore has transferred to hate. I would like to raise the issues of doping in sport; a result of win at all costs. Great shame if women go the same way. Also I don't believe that there are only 2 genders- that belongs in the old testament. So sorry that Mumsnet has become hatenet.

There are over 100 genders. There are two sexes. 'Genders' are not a protected category for sport which are for sex, age and ability. No male person should have access to a female sports category. Just as no able bodied person should ever compete in an event that has been created to allow a person with a disability to compete fairly. Just like no 25 year old should compete in a category set aside for 85 year olds.

There are plenty of mixed sex options in sport. There is never a need for a male person to enter a category created to provide fair competition and safety for female people.

Doping is completely different to this topic, unless someone is discussing the use of testosterone by female athletes while they are still competing in a female sports category.

Protecting the fair competition and safety of female people in sport is not hate. But I guess if you have a philosophical belief that they want society to prioritise over material reality where you think that male people should have access to the female category of sport, then I guess you would view any discussion of this as 'hate'.

It does show though that that person lacks the critical thinking ability to understand the material reality of human bodies and how male puberty works.

Mumsnet has become hatenet

Oh how fucking original and such a clever way to support your arguments. Well done.

I would like to raise the issues of doping in sport

Feel free to start your own thread about doping in sport. This thread is not about that issue.

I thought sport is to enjoy but the competitiveness which I deplore has transferred to hate.

Feel free to start your own thread about whether or not it’s hateful to include men in women’s spots or whether or not sport should be competitive. This thread is not about those issues.

I do think it’s pretty clear from the thread heading that this thread is for highlighting those athletes who are brave enough to stand against the inclusion of men in women’s sporting categories 💪💪💪

A large number of men do understand the issues and do not accept that males however they identify or whatever they think they are should be included in the female category for sport, they know that this will destroy female sport and result in male sport and males who think they are women sport. They fully accept this is nothing more than blatant cheating.

Sport is inherently competitive, what makes you think it isn't? Competition is part and parcel of the enjoyment.

Doping in sport - abhorrent and guess what not acceptable, have you missed all the people banned for doing so? What do you mean by women going the same way? Women who take testosterone are banned from competition.

Two genders? There are only two sexes and that has nothing to do with the Old Testament.

Mumsnet is not hatenet and what a pathetic come back. This area of Mumsnet is for women, what is hateful about that? Or wanting women to be able to access sport that is safe and fair?

Blimey, you don't like competitiveness, so nobody else is allowed to be competitive. I see. This is even though competitive sports are what's being discussed here.

Nobody's stopping you from doing amateur line dancing, or whatever.

"Mumsnet is not hatenet and what a pathetic come back. This area of Mumsnet is for women, what is hateful about that? Or wanting women to be able to access sport that is safe and fair?"

Well Gail. If someone cannot see the misogyny that is rife in allowing a male to participate in a female sports category, I guess they will not realise the 'hate' is coming from themselves. As rank misogyny. Remember, it has been erroneously labelled to be 'inclusive' to allow those males into female sports. And just like the words 'tolerant' and 'hate' and 'woman' and 'female' have been twisted to now mean the very opposite of what the term originally was intended to mean, so too does 'inclusive'.

So, a poster without the ability to apply critical thinking to their position and support it with any evidence would naturally believe that women and girls wanting to exclude male people from single sex category sports is 'hate'. Because they support the misogyny while fully believing that they are the ones coming from a position of love and inclusive.

Operation 'let them speak' is very powerful though.

Very true Hell, I'll just take it as another drive by scolding with zero facts, logic or coherent argument.

Also I don't believe that there are only 2 genders- that belongs in the old testament.

Bloody hell.

Thank fuck the government is stopping this shit being taught in schools.

Weird isn't it how there are more than two genders and yet all we see is the aping of stereotypes of the two sexes, and wanting to be included in places, spaces, activities, etc., of one of the two sexes.

How the hell this nonsense ever got off the ground will baffle future historians.

Also I don't believe that there are only 2 genders- that belongs in the old testament.

LOL. Ambassador you're spoiling us.

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Bye then.

Mumsnet is not hatenet. The name is Mumsnet although to be fair they are open to all so the name is not entirely accurate.

And yet some chosen names are absolutely accurate.

Scarily so.

Park run is not split into categories for starts/routes, you don't have to wear a male or female label, it doesn't dictate what you wear, who you run with or what you call yourself. The on the day experience of TW would be exactly the same if they were registered as male. By registering as female the only impact it had was course records and weekly rankings.

If the TW wanted a non competitive they could have it - but they make it competitive by taking women's ranking and records. It would make zero difference to their parkrun experience if they didn't register as female as no-one on the day would know which category they were in.

If the TW wanted a non competitive they could have it - but they make it competitive by taking women's ranking and records. It would make zero difference to their parkrun experience if they didn't register as female as no-one on the day would know which category they were in.

Exactly.