Pronouns, just stop it

[Birdsweepsin]

www.waterperryoperafestival.co.uk/2023festivalprogramme.html#carmen

Seriously? Waterperry you are an Opera company. Soprano, Mezzo, Countertenor... we don't need pronouns.

And yet making so much of the pronouns. I'm sorry, I know you're just Being Kind and all, but you have just lost me as a customer. Peter Rabbit and Revolting Rhymes are shows for small children! I so want to support stuff like this but the pronouns just flags 'utterly captured'.

Why do they think we care?!

You're absolutely right. Most people need their jobs to put food on the table for their families.

I kinda need my job too (I do love it) but (a) I'm getting towards retirement age (could draw my occupational pensions if I wished), (b) my sector is so desperately short of workers that anyone self-identifying as an accountant will get a job and (c) my organisation is haemorrhaging staff at the minute; they don't like me but they need to put with me for a while.

Self-ID and pronouns came up recently over lunch. Some raved about how progressive it was, while some remained quiet – see my opening sentence. And I said: "Fuck that, it's all a load of bollocks" and went to the bar to get another drink.

As I said, they'd like to offload me – and they will eventually. But for now, I stand firm. I'll do what I can, when I can.

The next big campaign to fight this lunacy needs to be protection of employment and an end to the oppressive idea that employers can dictate or compel your politics and/or punish lack of engagement with politics at work.

I'd like to see formation of a new, cross-section Employment Rights Union whose main focus is on the right to peaceful employment regardless of what mantras you do not wish to spout/what opinions you hold and voice.

haha good one

The Free Speech Union is beginning to fulfil this role since mainstream Trade Unions seem to have abdicated their responsibility to their paid-up members. Mainstream unions are failing to represent their paid up members if they happen not to accept the identity politics mantras. Imagine your own Trade Union calling you 'transphobic' when you are sacked for saying biology is real.

So on the Comedy of Errors poster everyone is the pronoun you’d expect them to be, ie women are her/she, men are he/him. When are any of the people on the posters expecting the audience to be using these or any other pronouns at them anyway and why would they care. I expect they had no choice but to put the pronouns on there by their bosses but for what bloody point?

There is just the one “she/they” though.
That’s probably why.
That “they” had to be there so they all did it.

How does she / they work?

She was good in the play

Pass it to they

How?

It's not just for that one person, it's mainly virtue signalling. Theatre is highly captured, and huge pressure is delivered from within the industry, from other highly captured "Folx".

The facts that the trans people I know in the industry want the ground to swallow them whole when pronouns are insisted upon, and that pointing out who is a women has been proven to make others treat them less favourably are irrelevant. It's posturing and BEEING SEEN to be woke. And people who raise even the slightest squeak of objection are labelled trouble and transphobic in an instant - which given theatre's notorious lack of job stability, is a real problem.

Yes it does do that to an extent. But I mean we need to create an even bigger one, with bigger teeth. Or else we all need to join the FSU.

Surely it would be ‘she/them’ to fit in grammatically with the others.

What I don’t get is if you’re happy with ‘she’, what’s wrong with ‘her’?

"she / they", different genders or lack thereof on different days? Or depending on whether there's an R in the month?

It couldn't possibly be so as to get roles labelled 'female' and also roles labelled 'non-binary', no way.

pppft

you have to listen though walls anyway to know if your pronouns of the day are being adhered
to

given it’s impolite/embarrassing to get someone pronouns wrong it’s is imv impolite and embarrassing to set about tripping people up by trying to change yours, especially given you shouldn’t even really hear them in use!

I can't get worked up about pronouns, either give them or don't.
I am intrigued by she/they though in this picture How does that work, I presume she identifies as she so how does they come in?
Genuine question if anyone is able to answer without being sarky or just grumbling bout load of bollocks as blah blah 😁

Never mind, see others have already asked the same!

OMG
I just couldn’t give money to these people

I am intrigued by she/they though in this picture How does that work, I presume she identifies as she so how does they come in?
I do wonder if some combinations are a subtle push back, as in if I have to give something I'm going to give something nonsensical.

I think that is what I was suggesting whether you are likely to need any protection or not. It is worth joining as politicians and institutions are so 'captured'. You will wait a long time for any new union to spring up.

Yes everyone should join as a matter of course. Together we are very strong.

She/they means the actor wants to the grammatical patterns she/her/hers and they/them/theirs to be used. Often in alternation.

See image modelling usage. If you are using a screenreader, this image says

If someone tells you that they take more than one pronouns, which should you do?

Make your best effort to use the different sets they've shared. For example, if someone uses she/they pronouns...

Then there is an image of a man with a speech bubble. The words in the bubble say, I was talking to her the other day. They told me...

No, it's an extra level of demand.

The she/they non-binary singer Halsey is refusing to speak to the press again, after she gave an interview, and the published piece didn't include sufficient uses of they and them to complement the uses of she and her.

What do the super, special, chosen folx do in countries where the language doesn't have gender pronouns? It must be so hard for they.

Like a seed stuck between my teeth, the thing about the whole PronounWang that sticks the most is the format she/her (or if you're more-inclusive-than-yew she/her/hers).

I know how to decline a pronoun. We all know how to decline a pronoun.

In the old days, women of a certain age used to put (Mrs) or (Miss) after their names when they sent letters. Abigail Twatt (She) or Morris Arzole (They) is sufficient if you must.

It is! There's a Welsh non-binary person who is super oppressed and petitioning the Welsh Government because the Welsh language is a bigot.

They is sad! www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-64164011